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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Wilshire host and we have a interesting

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show for you tonight we have Scott

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Duchene he's going to be talking about

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the possible living sky our UFOs organic

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could they be living creatures could

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some of them be it's going to be

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fascinating I think and so I want to

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thank everyone that helps out with the

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show supports the show anyone can do

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that you can find that information on

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our website podcast UFO comm we have a

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new blog a we have a guest blogger and

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Tasmania and he wrote a blog about of

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UFO world and his thoughts on that

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living there all his life down in

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Tasmania so that is on our on our

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website as well

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and let's see we are I should say I am

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in a new studio I moved last week and so

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notice the Internet has had a little bit

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issue here so I'm hoping it's not going

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to affect the show tonight I'm trying to

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get that worked out between now and next

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week and fix anything that's going on

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with that if there is if there are

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issues and I think that's about all I

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want to talk about I'm gonna let

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Alejandro go for from here how you doing

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alejandro

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good how are you I'm exhausted but I'm

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good really

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yeah yeah from all that moving i I don't

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know that I've ever heard of someone

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taking as long as you did and I know

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that it wasn't because you were messing

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around you were hauling stuff the entire

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time you have some some days from 6:00

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in the morning until 1:00 the following

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morning it was really moly yeah when you

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have a big place you tend to put things

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in places and then you you had no idea

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that you had things so oh yeah I can

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only imagine it's hard enough to to move

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from you know 1500 2000 square-foot

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place but a place two to three times at

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I can I can only imagine yeah yeah I

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just want to put everything in a big

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pile and burn it anyway so what's going

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on in the UFO world so UFOs yeah there's

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quite a bit going on at least you know

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there's a lot of news around and a lot

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of people have seen this and and we've

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talked about this in fact we've been one

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of the few outlets to talk about this

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but to the Stars Academy of course ran

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by Tom DeLonge an organization looking

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into the UFOs in paranormal some of the

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other members are people in intelligence

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and scientists and of course Lou

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Elizondo who used to run the DoD project

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investigating UFOs so there was an SEC

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filing that came out and it's because

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they're a public corporation they're

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kind of a new type of corporation where

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it's it's kind of a crowdfunding base

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type of thing where you know you can buy

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shares to be part of this company well a

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filing came out that said they were

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thirty seven thousand dollars in debt

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and so people started assuming and you

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saw these videos popping up especially

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with conspiracy people and stuff oh you

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know into the Stars is owes all this

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money they're going under this was just

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a big scam to steal people money from

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people there were even some people

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saying that they must have spent this 37

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million dollars or no they they weren't

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saying they must have they were saying

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this is what happened

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they spent this 37 million dollars

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building an alien technology spaceship

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and now they don't want to share it with

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anybody and that's where the money must

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have went no of this sort of thing well

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what's funny about that is if they had

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built a spaceship like that it probably

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would cost more than 37 million dollars

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but as you know I've been trying to

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point out to people if you look at that

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filing it was for equity stock

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compensation so it's kind of a paper

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thing it's not real money it's not money

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that they spent it's and and I'm not

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gonna say I understand it but it's kind

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of been on the Internet and of course

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and we've talked about it I think on the

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of days especially when arstechnica

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wrote a story about it and that got

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news outlets so it kind of got out there

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but Ars Technica kind of took the

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perspective and the verbage that you

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heard from kind of the conspiracy

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theories and and and from the the social

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media out there and obviously the to the

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stars people got a little upset in

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particular tom delonge he posted a

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couple things on social media saying you

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know this guy got it all completely

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wrong and they need to retract that and

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that got deleted yesterday but there's a

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another response that's kind of a little

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more formal and explanatory that came

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out from to the stars today now I am NOT

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and I've sought the help of some people

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who know about accounting and corporate

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accounting but they've tried to explain

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it and I know to the Stars tries to

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explain it here but it's over my head

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and I think it'll be over a lot of

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people's heads but essentially what he's

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saying is that it's not real debt I mean

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what they've been doing like a lot of

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early companies still don't pay their

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people in stock so a lot of these people

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are practically essentially volunteers

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any of these organizations out there

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they're all volunteers but this these

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guys are getting paid in a stock so that

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if the company does well you know at

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some point this stock will be worth

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something and so that's what that number

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money they owe or anything now they

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which just say something to the to the

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effect that this could be an issue for

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their viability going forward in fact it

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calls it a growing concern and that says

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working on but it's not what it was you

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and in fact to the Stars has reached out

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to many of the news outlets who have

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posted corrections to their stories

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yet but many other outlets have so you

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know it's it's not what it's been

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portrayed out there and of course a lot

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of people jumping the gun before they

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you know we'll wait for more information

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was it's not like you know this this

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huge debt like people are trying to make

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it out to be nor have they built an

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alien spacecraft or anything like that

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in fact we know what they're up to

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what they're up to they're up to you

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that they believe have been retrieved

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genuinely a not anomalous and I know

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work that they're doing the lab testing

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while it's expensive isn't millions of

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millions of dollars and in fact in this

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SEC filing you can't see those numbers I

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mean they everything they're doing all

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these numbers are there and you can see

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that these operating costs have cost

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them you know a hundred thousand or so

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dollars so it's been expensive but and

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that's what precludes this testing to

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happen in this field often is that it is

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expensive and you know expects it for an

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with the material at least we'll learn

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so that's some new sets out there

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because those stories have been running

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cycle once the wrong story gets out that

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Corrections you know they they either

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them so yeah that's that's the story

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that people remember and write and fall

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back on now was so this was a public

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filing is that how this get out exactly

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it's a public miling at something that

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been out there for a while before people

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kind of ran across it but of course this

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Commission and since they are a

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corporation that are dealing in shares

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that's why they have to you know follow

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the rules and regulations and some of

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that is to disclose and and to write

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these reports so there is one actually

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from last year you can go find as well

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but yet this was the latest update now

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when they when they do something like

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this you said that Tom Tom made some

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type of statement did he just did he

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clear it all up and say hey everyone

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everything's ok you know stop worrying

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or anything what was essentially what he

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begin this is kind of an introduction

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most media channels who have taken the

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steps to update their articles and

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inform their readers of their mistake

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and you know gets into how essentially

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just saying this isn't debt like people

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keep saying like many other startups you

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know we're paying our people in stock

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and so this is a stockholder equity

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deficit number that looks like this big

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number that we oh but it's not if you

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look at the details the notes under on

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that same SEC filing you'll see more

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information about that I've looked at

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those notes I just don't understand

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accounting speak so I don't get it it's

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it's often like talking

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about multiple dimensions and the

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science behind that that's when that's

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way over my head - so so that's

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essentially what he was saying he said

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stars Tom Doyle and personally said I

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know those who have reached out and

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those journalists who have been

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correcting things but that's about all

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they've said so they didn't speak to

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that point of whether or not you know

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that the state of the company you know I

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don't think that doesn't appear they

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corrections and maybe one of those

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Corrections will speak to that okay

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great we have just a couple minutes

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anything else um I guess that's the big

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news that people will see out there

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right now otherwise you know really yeah

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that's the biggest thing out there

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otherwise I would say there's lots of

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news out there about project Bluebook

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because I New York comic-con

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a week or so ago and those are some

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really neat stories out there so I would

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recommend people take a look at that you

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know excitements growing for this

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television show that will be coming out

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January 1 about Project Blue Book and

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dr. J Allen Hynek oh it's January 1 Wow

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so they're really promoting this I had

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yeah I think it's January I'm pretty

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sure it is now you're making me question

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but well anyone anyone can look that up

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all they have to do is yeah Google it's

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coming up very soon is is what we need

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to know yeah right

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all right and J anywhere he's coming up

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really quick you know the holidays come

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you know how it is after Halloween all

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of a sudden it's Thanksgiving then it's

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Christmas and you're like whoa where did

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those three months go you know about

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three or four days ago I had to go to

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Home Depot for something and I walked in

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the door and it was Santa Claus and

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Christmas trees and when it's October oh

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my gosh you're kidding no I took a

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picture of it and put it on Facebook and

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it's like you know I was joking with the

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girl there said is this for next year

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you know you're doing it earlier and

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earlier all the time anyway

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I mean it's Halloween we need our

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costume still ya know well anyway all

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right well thanks alejandro and all

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right thank you we'll be talking next

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weekend everyone up don't forget to

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check out Alejandro's livestream show

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especially you people that like to watch

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on youtube now it's every Thursday and

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go ahead give them the the picture it's

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called UFOs seriously it's every

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Thursday at 6 p.m. Arizona time which is

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currently aligned with Pacific and yep

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you can just go to the open minds TV

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YouTube channel and go check it out

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there yeah and you won't be aligned too

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much longer we go into do we change on

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daylight savings time fairly soon I

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think

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oh we do yeah I always forget when that

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is okay yeah so we're changing yeah yeah

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and that's what's nice about Arizona we

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don't do that but it's so cause it's

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trouble because everybody else does but

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of course on there you'll be able to ask

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questions live and I try to answer

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questions and then I go over all of the

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UFO news for the week of course which

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you can see at open minds dot t be

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excellent all right I'll talk to you

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next week all right talk to you next

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week have a great show all right thank

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you so our guest our guest this evening

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is Scott Abdul Shan and he has a couple

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of books the sky is alive the living sky

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and we're gonna be talking about all

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that and so much more fascinating topic

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welcome to the show Scott Thank You

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Martin thank you for having me

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yes and we have in the background you

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have some posters going when we pop up

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on full screen we'll be able to show the

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people watching YouTube that so I

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thought this was fascinating because I

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remember what your your subject is

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because I I've watched a video one time

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I remember it clearly it looked like a

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jellyfish and it looked like something

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living and a few people have talked

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about you know experiences were they

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were thinking things were alive that's a

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whole nother subject I'll I'll talk to

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you about as we get into it a little bit

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more but what what caused you to look

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into this and and also what made you

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take this approach that I don't think

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anyone else has ever taken well actually

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it's not my idea totally I've taken it

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sort of some logical conclusions or some

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logical next steps but I'm sure a lot of

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folks who were interested in UFOs are

371
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familiar with the name Kenneth Arnold

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he's the gentleman whose sighting in

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1947 sparked the whole term flying

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saucer well he studied UFOs the rest of

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his life and he came to the conclusion

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that they were some kind of natural

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flora or fauna of the atmosphere that

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they were living things and it's kind of

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a mystery to me why more people don't

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pay attention everybody sort of lionized

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is Kenneth Arnold but nobody pays

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attention in those conclusions that he

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had I know there's been interviews with

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his daughter where she talks about some

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of his conclusions but he talked to

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pilots many pilots during his research

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during his study of UFOs and a lot of

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them told him stories of life like UFOs

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that are approaching planes so what you

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described earlier people saying oh it

391
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looked like a jellyfish no it moved and

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you know that's a very common thing in

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fact that's what sort of led me into the

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that whole area of study looking at you

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know once we started finding that you

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could have visual evidence of UFOs may

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have always been fascinated by scary

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stories and once we started having

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videotapes and DVDs I decided to look

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closely and a lot of the UFO evidence so

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you had people who didn't have access to

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a camera before all of a sudden

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recording these things and now everybody

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with a phone as a camera so all of a

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sudden you're seeing you know thousands

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and thousands and thousands of

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recordings of these objects and you look

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at them and so many of them well first

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of all as I'm sure you're well aware

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most of them are blurry or indistinct or

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you can't tell what it is but the few

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where they are clear they don't really

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look like mechanical craft but a lot of

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them look like

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what we call you know the kind of

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organisms that we see living in Earth's

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oceans and that's so it sort of started

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me down that Avenue is looking

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considering the possibility that our

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atmosphere might be a habitat it's

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similar to Earth's oceans and the more

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I've looked the more I've found it's

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just a fascinating topic and there's all

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kinds of evidence out there all kinds of

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visual evidence and the best thing about

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it is that it provides a clear path for

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study going forward we're not just

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looking at things in the past and saying

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oh what was it what was it and arguing

430
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about what it was there's actually

431
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different specific ways we can go

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forward and study this and try and find

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out if this is really a provable

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hypothesis well a couple of things I

435
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thought of in this whole topic of yours

436
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and and one of them is are these things

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actually supposed to be floating or how

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do they maintain you know weightlessness

439
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you know less than air as they say you

440
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know no and then navigate and all that

441
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that's a good question a lot of people

442
00:19:03,050 --> 00:19:01,710
ask that they go how do they stay up you

443
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know that why don't they just fall out

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of the sky and to really understand the

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topic one of the reasons that it's it's

446
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kind of simple but it's kind of

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revolutionary in a lot of ways but one

448
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of the challenges to understanding the

449
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topic is you have to understand several

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different things first you have to think

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of the atmosphere you have to understand

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a little bit about the Earth's

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atmosphere and then you have to

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understand a little bit about the UFO

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problem you know what what we see with

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the question of UFOs why are you know

457
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the whole nature of the phenomena and

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then there's where you take sort of a

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wrong sort of a left turn and you have

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to look at the type of organisms that we

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find in Earth's other fluid environment

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the ocean but let's go let's start with

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the atmosphere we think of the

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atmosphere I heard somebody once say the

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goldfish don't know what water is

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because they swim in it all the time now

467
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we don't think of the atmosphere as a

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habitat because we just take it for

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granted

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is this giant environment it's this you

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know vaporous cloud that surrounds the

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planet it's huge it has five million

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times more volume than Earth's oceans

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and we tend to think of it as just empty

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space but it's not there's huge amounts

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of water and minerals and energy just

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coursing through the atmosphere on a

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scale we can't even imagine so closer to

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the earth the atmosphere is more dense

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and as we rise higher it gets less dense

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until at the edge of space there's not

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really a hard line there it's just kind

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of some kind of transfer back and forth

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between the edge of space and Earth's

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atmosphere so things moving through the

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atmosphere don't have to float they just

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have to be less dense than what's

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immediately below them so it's like

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asking you know why don't fish just sink

490
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to the bottom of the ocean

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well they maintain their buoyancy

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through that fluid environment and

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that's how I'm proposing is that the

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types of organisms that we seem to see

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in the atmosphere or the kind that can

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maintain that sort of buoyancy now I

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understand you just said that there's

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five million times more volume in the

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atmosphere than all the oceans but right

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now

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don't you I mean it seems to me that if

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there was actually something up there

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wouldn't it be detected more often or is

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it just that it's so vast I mean is it

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all kinds of things come to mind how do

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these things breed where do they hang

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out for the most part what do they eat -

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they eat birds

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I mean oh well that's a good question

510
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those are great questions and part of it

511
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comes down to another challenge about

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this hypothesis it's accepting I mean we

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tend to think we're humans tend to think

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that we're the grand pooh-bah of the you

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00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,330
know the the food chain we're at the top

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of the food chain but if you think of

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our planets environment and the

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different habitats that are there you

519
00:22:08,329 --> 00:22:06,239
know it's two-thirds three-quarters of

520
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the planet is oceans we can't live in

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the oceans enveloping the whole planet

522
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or the at the atmosphere we can't live

523
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in the atmosphere our habitat is just

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this

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tiny skin on the surface of the land we

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can't live below the surface of the land

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we live on the surface in the land so if

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you think about our perspective that's

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our perspective right on the surface of

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the earth now if you think in the past

531
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we've only been having power to air

532
00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:39,179
flight for a little over 100 years so we

533
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don't we tend to think that we

534
00:22:45,009 --> 00:22:42,120
understand what's up there but we really

535
00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:45,019
don't now there's a possibility that

536
00:22:56,989 --> 00:22:51,320
there is an entire realm of life that's

537
00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:56,999
too fast too smart and possibly you know

538
00:23:01,850 --> 00:22:59,340
- indistinct - good at disguising itself

539
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for us to perceive and you ask why don't

540
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:03,749
we see them all the time well we do as

541
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,320
you're aware one of the mysteries of the

542
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:09,419
UFO phenomena is how many people see

543
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:11,700
them and people see them all the time

544
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:15,330
and that was come to me one of the one

545
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:17,940
of the bits of kind of evidence is sort

546
00:23:22,609 --> 00:23:20,129
of cemented in my mind that this was a

547
00:23:24,739 --> 00:23:22,619
real possibility I said okay let's test

548
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:24,749
this hypothesis you know if these are

549
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:26,970
living creatures you know if they're up

550
00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:30,210
in the atmosphere wouldn't people see

551
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:31,830
them and I thought well what's the most

552
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:34,590
credible evidence that we can find I

553
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:37,740
said let's go look at the NASA program

554
00:23:42,109 --> 00:23:40,200
let's see what you know the astronauts

555
00:23:43,399 --> 00:23:42,119
have seen let's go look at what the

556
00:23:47,239 --> 00:23:43,409
shuttle and the space station have

557
00:23:50,539 --> 00:23:47,249
recorded and what I found just boggle my

558
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:50,549
mind you're probably aware of some of

559
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,129
the the footage that's out there some of

560
00:23:57,739 --> 00:23:54,720
the shuttle footage it's out there

561
00:23:59,899 --> 00:23:57,749
that's been reported as you know UFO

562
00:24:01,879 --> 00:23:59,909
sightings and unexplained objects but if

563
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,889
you look at these things there are just

564
00:24:07,249 --> 00:24:04,799
hours and hours and hours of unexplained

565
00:24:10,489 --> 00:24:07,259
objects moving through the atmosphere

566
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:10,499
okay snow from the sorry from the

567
00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:12,690
capsule windows we actually have to go

568
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:14,429
to break here so I'm gonna have to okay

569
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:18,690
we'll have to come back to this but so

570
00:24:23,779 --> 00:24:21,720
let's just come back to this I'm gonna

571
00:24:25,609 --> 00:24:23,789
ask the question are these things that

572
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:25,619
they have filmed right outside right

573
00:24:30,140 --> 00:24:29,129
outside the window basically and okay so

574
00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:30,150
hang in there

575
00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:31,920
everyone we're gonna go to break right

576
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:36,150
now and we are on K GRA radio and this

577
00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:37,890
is Martin Willis my guest is Scott

578
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,050
right guys we just got just over four

579
00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:50,400
minutes in this break got it okay thank

580
00:24:53,470 --> 00:24:50,840
you

581
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,480
so we'll happen we'll go back to that

582
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:56,880
looking out the window of a capsule or

583
00:25:03,650 --> 00:24:58,650
whatever it is Space Station or all that

584
00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:03,660
yeah it sounds great yeah so anyway you

585
00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:08,040
you actually I didn't ask this in the

586
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,550
the main part of the show but what

587
00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:13,320
actually got you interested in the topic

588
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:18,420
of UFOs to begin with well my brother

589
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:20,730
used to read me I don't know if you

590
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:22,770
remember Frank Edwards stranger than

591
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:25,250
science during them of those books yeah

592
00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:29,220
he used to read those to a my sister and

593
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:31,230
my brother and I and scare the pants off

594
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:34,050
of us and so of course I wanted to find

595
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:35,340
out you know what's really going on you

596
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:39,360
know so you can blame Frank Edwards and

597
00:25:42,740 --> 00:25:41,400
then of course I started researching the

598
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:42,750
you know reading the greats like John

599
00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:46,110
keel and I haven't Sanderson and in fact

600
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:52,040
postulating that UFOs might be living

601
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:55,140
creatures so yeah like I said it's not

602
00:25:58,460 --> 00:25:56,940
it's not my original idea my idea is

603
00:26:01,220 --> 00:25:58,470
just to say oh they're kind of similar

604
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:01,230
to the organisms it's not a stretch of

605
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:02,580
the imagination to think they might be

606
00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:05,010
very similar to the organisms we find in

607
00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:06,990
the oceans but yeah that's you know the

608
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,750
whole idea the scary story aspect of it

609
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:11,940
is what got me interested in it and have

610
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:15,600
you have you explored other topics as

611
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:19,140
well you've written other books well

612
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:22,730
yeah yeah my career was actually

613
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:25,860
producing educational booklets for

614
00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:28,800
different organizations so that's one of

615
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:30,180
the things that sort of led me into this

616
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:32,010
area as well I studied I did a lot of

617
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:34,770
work for conservation agencies where I

618
00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:38,490
studied them living things habitats

619
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:40,340
Natural Resources how all those things

620
00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:42,630
interacted to create an environment to

621
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:43,950
make life possible

622
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,290
and so it got me thinking about the

623
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:48,600
resources in the atmosphere and that's

624
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:50,490
sort of I thought well gosh you got all

625
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:52,110
these resources in the atmosphere for a

626
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:52,860
habitat

627
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:54,810
I wonder what's there and sure enough

628
00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:56,820
everywhere we look you know we find more

629
00:27:00,500 --> 00:26:57,990
things and that's what's something we

630
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,510
can talk about too is some of the areas

631
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:02,220
in the atmosphere where we find things

632
00:27:06,290 --> 00:27:03,690
that seem to look like living things

633
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,300
yeah I've heard of I've heard of

634
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,640
scientists say that the atmosphere

635
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:11,520
around Earth is like the skin of an

636
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:14,910
apple it's not right it's not in

637
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,470
comparison to the earth we don't have a

638
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:19,140
lot of it which right and that's a

639
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:22,110
that's what's it's kind of in fact it's

640
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:23,070
one of the things that's kind of

641
00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:25,770
important about why we need to study

642
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:29,060
this is because you know if these things

643
00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:32,010
all I mean we can talk when we get back

644
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:34,100
to from the break we can talk about

645
00:27:39,130 --> 00:27:36,360
sprites I don't know if you've heard

646
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:39,140
anything about those yeah yeah yeah

647
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:42,390
documentary on that before they write

648
00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:45,410
reverse lightning it actually goes up

649
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:50,790
right yeah well they uh I was one of my

650
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:53,940
um one of my contacts sent me something

651
00:27:59,180 --> 00:27:56,370
recently about an astronaut who was I

652
00:28:02,120 --> 00:27:59,190
think it was STS shuttle mission 115

653
00:28:03,650 --> 00:28:02,130
where he just was interviewed by someone

654
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,660
that he said that the things that they

655
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:05,880
saw there look like they were organic

656
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,290
and there was that was interesting

657
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:09,840
because for an astronaut to say that it

658
00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:11,310
was kind of a big that's a big deal

659
00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:15,150
right yeah yeah there's been a few that

660
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:17,030
have said some pretty interesting things

661
00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:19,650
yeah and the accordant I don't know

662
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:21,150
you're familiar with them

663
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:23,250
Martin Stubbs the fellow that recorded a

664
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:26,730
lot of this footage no he was a he was a

665
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:28,760
Canadian public access television

666
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,100
director and in the early days a lot of

667
00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:35,340
the shuttle feeds down from you know the

668
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:38,670
shuttle they were you know unsecured and

669
00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:42,330
so he was there with the public access

670
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:44,160
television station in Canada and he

671
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:45,930
would just record you know just keep

672
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,490
changing the tapes out recording all the

673
00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:50,640
stuff from the shuttle hang on I think

674
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,280
we're about ready to go back great ok

675
00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:55,500
race are we ready to go

676
00:29:05,280 --> 00:28:59,230
indeed all right all right here we go in

677
00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:05,290
five four three two all right welcome

678
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:07,240
back this is Martin Willis my guest is

679
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,150
Scott Dechaine and Scott we were talking

680
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:13,120
just before the break about what people

681
00:29:22,650 --> 00:29:15,940
had been filming outside of the window

682
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:22,660
of NASA spacecraft or actually the space

683
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:24,280
station as well I believe

684
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:27,340
but if correct me if I'm wrong but a lot

685
00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:29,410
of the footage are you talking about

686
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:32,830
this footage that people caught that was

687
00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:35,740
transmitted or that as someone can

688
00:29:42,890 --> 00:29:39,400
actually get the files now oh yeah

689
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:42,900
there's a whole range of different

690
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:45,130
pieces of footage that have been caught

691
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:48,120
over the years of the decades of

692
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:51,370
exploration as a matter of fact you know

693
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:53,080
you don't have to look very far to find

694
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:55,390
this evidence the first time we put a

695
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:58,690
man into orbit John Glenn he reported

696
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:02,320
the famous Firefly incident where he saw

697
00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:04,600
these objects these luminous particles

698
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:07,180
all around his capsule as he moved there

699
00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:09,130
through the you know around the planet

700
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:11,560
and he saw them near dawn each time as

701
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:14,380
he came into the dawn area of the

702
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,010
atmosphere and after that you know if

703
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:20,080
you think about the astronauts orbiting

704
00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:22,930
the planet I mean their first impulse

705
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:25,420
their first concern is safety to do

706
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:26,860
everything correct oh they can get back

707
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:27,670
down safely

708
00:30:33,630 --> 00:30:31,960
so when we had a chance to remain in

709
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:33,640
orbit for longer times with the space

710
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:35,050
station and we're during the shuttle

711
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:37,330
program they had a little more time to

712
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:39,160
focus on the things that were outside

713
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:42,070
the craft and when they started looking

714
00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:44,980
outside the craft they actually recorded

715
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,660
some amazing stuff some of it was by

716
00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:48,640
design but some of it was by accident

717
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:52,680
and they they used some different

718
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:55,000
cameras that would reveal things that

719
00:31:03,360 --> 00:30:57,700
weren't visible to the naked eye for

720
00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:03,370
example the shuttle mission 39 in its

721
00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:07,390
they call them STS STS 39 in 1991 they

722
00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:08,590
used a

723
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:11,620
type of camera called cirrus which is an

724
00:31:16,919 --> 00:31:15,039
acronym for a camera that allowed to

725
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,929
look into the infrared spectrum well

726
00:31:21,539 --> 00:31:18,640
when they trailed it when they pointed

727
00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:21,549
it outside they saw this whole swarm of

728
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:24,279
things moving by the camera they look

729
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:26,980
like you know pulsing squid which are

730
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:30,250
one of the types of organisms that are

731
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:33,190
very prominent in Earth's oceans and

732
00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:35,470
they're perfectly suited for moving in

733
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:38,140
an fluid environment and they've also

734
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:40,210
been reported flying so we know that

735
00:31:45,149 --> 00:31:42,850
squid fly and we know they would come

736
00:31:46,769 --> 00:31:45,159
out of the water and we know that some

737
00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:46,779
of them are bigger than we even imagined

738
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:48,760
now is it a big stretch to think that

739
00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:49,750
some of them move up through the

740
00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:51,520
atmosphere well this particular piece of

741
00:32:01,049 --> 00:31:58,990
footage from sts-48 a pulse and a move

742
00:32:04,409 --> 00:32:01,059
they change direction as they're going

743
00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:04,419
by that's just one example some of the

744
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:08,440
there's also some very famous examples

745
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,490
there was a gentleman in Canada named

746
00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:14,799
Martin Stubbs who was a public-access

747
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:18,100
television program manager who used to

748
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:21,370
record the satellite downlink from the

749
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,990
space shuttle that was before was

750
00:32:27,149 --> 00:32:25,600
secured and he recorded hours and hours

751
00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:27,159
and hours of footage the guy is a hero

752
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:29,500
because a lot of this stuff would have

753
00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:31,890
just been lost to obscurity otherwise

754
00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:34,840
and one of the most famous things that

755
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:37,960
he recorded was space shuttle mission 75

756
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,770
STS 75 where there was the so-called

757
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:43,840
tether incident and that was one thing

758
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:46,330
when I started looking for it I have

759
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:49,570
have you seen that video yeah yeah it's

760
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:51,730
just it's mind-boggling it's a piece of

761
00:32:57,899 --> 00:32:54,970
history and when I first saw that it was

762
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:57,909
just like it was like looking through a

763
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:01,720
microscope for the first time and it's

764
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:04,690
interesting I've shown that to different

765
00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:08,529
scientists and you know people a

766
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:09,520
scientists aren't actually pretty

767
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:11,620
skeptical but when you show them this

768
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:14,770
actual footage taken by the astronaut

769
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,490
that's it a lot of them say they look

770
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:20,559
like living things I there was a I have

771
00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:21,860
an interview

772
00:33:26,259 --> 00:33:24,620
on my website and I have a website and a

773
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:26,269
YouTube channel called a living sky

774
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:28,370
living sky comm the YouTube channel is

775
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:30,230
the living sky I have an interview with

776
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:33,080
a scientist who studies freshwater

777
00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:35,510
jellyfish I didn't even know there were

778
00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:38,750
such things but apparently in fresh

779
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,760
bodies of bodies of fresh water around

780
00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:42,640
the United States and around the world

781
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:44,929
millions of jellyfish will sometimes

782
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:47,929
appear and I kept asking him and asking

783
00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:49,820
where are they coming from where they

784
00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:51,380
come and he said well some people think

785
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:54,919
they move through the sky so I said okay

786
00:33:59,019 --> 00:33:56,990
you're saying jellyfish might move

787
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,029
through this guy you want to let take a

788
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:01,519
look at some of this NASA footage so I

789
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:03,710
showed it to this jellyfish expert and

790
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:07,210
he's going they look like jellyfish so

791
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:11,230
if that's interesting that's it yeah

792
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,030
yeah all right so I I have a question

793
00:34:21,339 --> 00:34:17,119
I'm gonna just came to mind here what

794
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:21,349
happens when say well first of all we

795
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:22,520
haven't talked about the size of these

796
00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:25,639
creatures if they are creatures but they

797
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:26,929
must be massive

798
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:31,960
if so okay so what happens when one dies

799
00:34:39,899 --> 00:34:36,399
does its carcass just float in space and

800
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:39,909
disappear or does it ever crash land

801
00:34:44,859 --> 00:34:43,010
that's a great question well the

802
00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:44,869
interesting thing first let's go we

803
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:46,990
talked about the atmosphere a little bit

804
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:50,359
let's go and then and look at the UFO

805
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:51,710
mystery and then we'll go back I'm going

806
00:34:58,359 --> 00:34:53,300
to circle back to the whole idea of the

807
00:35:00,609 --> 00:34:58,369
invertebrates okay um we know that

808
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:00,619
there's massive amounts of water moving

809
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:03,020
through the atmosphere somebody the jet

810
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:05,030
stream somebody calculated there's more

811
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,920
water moving through the sky in the jet

812
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:09,200
stream stream then there is moving in

813
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:11,810
the Amazon River if somebody is a

814
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:13,250
calculated there's more water moving

815
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:14,770
through the air over the United States

816
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:17,450
then in all the rivers combined so

817
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:19,670
there's a huge amount of water up there

818
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:23,210
and the big question about UFO is is one

819
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:24,710
of the things that mist is mysterious if

820
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:27,890
people see so many of them there's so

821
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:30,010
many different kinds that people report

822
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:32,510
but yet they keep seeing them again and

823
00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:33,950
again and again and they see them in

824
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:35,420
large numbers they seem in a lot of

825
00:35:42,220 --> 00:35:35,720
different

826
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:42,230
UFOs that people seem to report most are

827
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:45,160
the disk shape or the saucer shape and

828
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:49,010
the cigar shape or the rocket shape and

829
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:51,470
those parallel is two of the most

830
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:54,230
successful types of organisms in the

831
00:35:59,140 --> 00:35:56,930
oceans the jellyfish and the squid and

832
00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:59,150
both of those are perfectly suited for

833
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:01,880
living in a fluid environment jellyfish

834
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:04,910
is made up mostly of the environment in

835
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:07,160
which it lives so it in the water it's

836
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:09,950
mostly water it's just very little

837
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:11,690
organic matter in addition to the water

838
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:14,810
the squid is like a perfect living jet

839
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:17,900
it can control its own buoyancy it's a

840
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:20,030
great predator and it can camouflage

841
00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:24,500
itself and not only is is bioluminescent

842
00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:26,900
but it can camouflage itself even to the

843
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:28,430
extent that it can make one side of

844
00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:30,290
itself one color and the other side

845
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:33,020
another color now an invertebrate isn't

846
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:37,130
limited by its skeleton so they do grow

847
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:39,890
to huge sizes we know in the ocean that

848
00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:42,070
some of the largest organisms are

849
00:36:46,839 --> 00:36:44,839
jellyfish and squid in fact have been

850
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:46,849
some reports of monster jellyfish and

851
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:48,890
one in the Indian Ocean almost swallowed

852
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,599
a steamer in a steamer there was a storm

853
00:36:59,410 --> 00:36:56,240
and the bow of the ship went under the

854
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,420
water when it came up it was fouled and

855
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:02,240
a jellyfish they said the the slime was

856
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:05,810
6 feet deep on the on the on the ship on

857
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,640
the deck of the ship and they had to

858
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:09,680
call another ship to spray boiling water

859
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:11,540
on it to get it off one good man died

860
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:14,089
one sailor died so we know that there's

861
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,060
huge jellyfish in the ocean now if we

862
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:18,800
look in the atmosphere and again the

863
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,140
thing about this is it's not I'm not

864
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:22,880
saying this is the case I'm just saying

865
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:25,250
this is a hypothesis this is something

866
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,730
that is worthy of further study if we

867
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:30,560
think that there are organisms moving

868
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:32,330
through the atmosphere like jellyfish

869
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:35,690
they may be composed mostly of water and

870
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:39,680
water vapor so when they do die it's

871
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:41,510
like a jellyfish on the beach you know

872
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:43,550
when they come on the beach you can

873
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:46,190
watch and almost as you watch they they

874
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:48,140
sublimate the water just evaporates

875
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:49,430
until there's nothing there

876
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:52,790
so there's a possibility that some of

877
00:37:57,460 --> 00:37:55,190
these organisms as they die and

878
00:38:00,070 --> 00:37:57,470
decompose they may just either sublimate

879
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:00,080
turn back into vapor or perhaps they

880
00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:02,810
actually deposit you know rain or water

881
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:05,120
vapor at the lower levels of the

882
00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:08,270
atmosphere in the ocean we talk they

883
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:12,350
talk about a constant snow falling of

884
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:14,750
decayed matter at the bottom of the

885
00:38:19,570 --> 00:38:17,210
ocean is organisms on the higher level

886
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,580
decay and eventually wax its way down to

887
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:20,720
the very bottom of the ocean

888
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:23,210
there's snow now we're living at the

889
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:26,290
bottom of an ocean the ocean of air

890
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:28,750
who's to say what's going on up there

891
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,310
doesn't affect us down here and affect

892
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:34,880
our weather and our climate so but only

893
00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:36,650
further studies gonna prove if that's

894
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:41,360
true or not yeah yeah and you would also

895
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:43,190
think that there are changes in the

896
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:48,230
atmosphere you know the ozone for one it

897
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:51,110
seems like if there were actually living

898
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:53,750
things up there that we haven't detected

899
00:38:58,530 --> 00:38:55,850
or haven't seen or science at least

900
00:39:02,590 --> 00:38:58,540
hasn't seen I mean there has been no

901
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:02,600
actual like science on this has there as

902
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:05,210
far as you know well that's the question

903
00:39:10,030 --> 00:39:08,150
I I don't think there is and and it's a

904
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:10,040
puzzle to me I've talked a lot of

905
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:12,790
different scientists and I've tried to

906
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:15,170
spark an interest in further study of

907
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:16,940
this and the FATA fact one of my goals

908
00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:19,340
is to try and get younger people who

909
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:22,040
might be interested in the mystery of

910
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:24,440
UFOs and in science to look at this as a

911
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:26,870
possibility because with the technology

912
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:29,570
we have now I predict it's just a matter

913
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,780
of time until we use the right tools and

914
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:34,640
look up there we're gonna find living

915
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:37,960
things there are so many possible

916
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:40,430
lifelike phenomena at almost every level

917
00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:43,070
of the atmosphere where we look now

918
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,060
there is a science and this is a it's

919
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:48,800
kind of easy to label things there is a

920
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:52,580
science called Aero biology and you know

921
00:39:57,070 --> 00:39:54,740
we have marine biology and there's Aero

922
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:57,080
biology an era biology was initially

923
00:40:01,600 --> 00:39:59,090
formed to study the spread of diseases

924
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:01,610
in hospitals and you know germs move

925
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:03,230
through the different wards

926
00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:07,040
and now it studies the spread of pests

927
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:08,180
and insects

928
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:10,460
you know spores moving through the

929
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:12,140
atmosphere rising up moving and

930
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,930
infecting crops and stuff but as far as

931
00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:17,180
I can tell nobody is studying the

932
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:21,140
possibility of megafauna you know giant

933
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:24,050
organisms moving through the atmosphere

934
00:40:28,990 --> 00:40:25,940
now one of the things that you mentioned

935
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,000
Martin before was the size of these

936
00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:30,800
organisms the potential size of these

937
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:33,380
organisms jellyfish have an amazingly

938
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:35,990
complex life cycle they reproduce

939
00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:39,440
sexually and asexually they can have in

940
00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:44,119
tiny eggs and tiny of larval forms and

941
00:40:49,859 --> 00:40:47,900
then when they can they can reproduce a

942
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:49,869
stack so they can keep budding off

943
00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:52,280
Medusa which are the traditional bell

944
00:40:57,550 --> 00:40:54,980
shaped jellyfish that we think of and

945
00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:57,560
when those but off they mature and

946
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,240
become sexually mature but they can keep

947
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:01,760
growing and growing and growing and it's

948
00:41:06,579 --> 00:41:03,650
kind of similar to what we see with a

949
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:06,589
lot of UFO reports we see many different

950
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:10,400
shapes in many different sizes now one

951
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:12,970
of the other area that really kind of

952
00:41:18,130 --> 00:41:15,500
you know forces you know convinced me I

953
00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:18,140
was going down the right path here was

954
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:21,020
when we look at habitats when we're

955
00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:22,550
looking for living things we look at

956
00:41:28,510 --> 00:41:24,740
where habitats overlap we call it the

957
00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:28,520
edge effect so for example you know an

958
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:30,140
organism might live at the edge of a

959
00:41:33,790 --> 00:41:32,390
forest and the edge of a field or the

960
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:33,800
edge of the ocean and the edge of the

961
00:41:36,819 --> 00:41:35,210
shore well that's where we find a lot of

962
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,829
living things because they can access

963
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:38,960
the resources from both of those

964
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:41,210
habitats they go back and forth and get

965
00:41:45,339 --> 00:41:43,970
both of those sets of resources so I

966
00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:45,349
said well let's look in the sky and

967
00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:49,400
where's an edge in the sky and I said

968
00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:51,319
what about the tops of thunderstorms

969
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:53,660
because at any given moment there are

970
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,060
200 massive thunderstorms moving around

971
00:42:02,079 --> 00:41:59,839
the planet all the time and I said what

972
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:02,089
are they finding above thunderstorms

973
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:05,750
well in the past 30 years we've just

974
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:07,310
started looking above the tops of

975
00:42:12,099 --> 00:42:09,010
thunderstorms and we'd found these

976
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:12,109
phenomena which scientists call sprites

977
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:16,400
and initially they thought that these

978
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:17,119
were just

979
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,920
electrical phenomena they thought that

980
00:42:23,319 --> 00:42:21,200
they were a kind of lightning but as we

981
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:23,329
look further I mean when scientists

982
00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:24,710
first found these they started saying ah

983
00:42:29,230 --> 00:42:27,109
they look like giant jellyfish they and

984
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:29,240
they they use the term it's a new aerial

985
00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:30,920
best GRE it's a whole set of new

986
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:34,069
organisms that we've seen up there but

987
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,710
the problem that a lot of people run up

988
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:39,140
against is these things are you know 45

989
00:42:45,849 --> 00:42:43,700
to 100 miles tall and they live above

990
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,859
the tops of thunderstorms if you see

991
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:47,119
pictures of these things you'll see

992
00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:49,369
little thunderstorms along the bottom

993
00:42:52,779 --> 00:42:50,779
and you know how big thunderstorms are

994
00:42:57,059 --> 00:42:52,789
and here are the sprites towering above

995
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,069
them so the question is you know are

996
00:43:02,279 --> 00:42:59,599
those actually living things now they

997
00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:02,289
sins have found that the same sprites

998
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:05,480
persist they we perceive them from 30

999
00:43:10,509 --> 00:43:07,730
minutes so it doesn't sound like

1000
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:10,519
strictly an electrical phenomena we

1001
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,910
found that they produce waves

1002
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,160
gravitational waves and against

1003
00:43:20,529 --> 00:43:18,319
scientists have said it's like this

1004
00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:20,539
something enormous swimming in the

1005
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:23,470
atmosphere and they've also recorded

1006
00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:26,630
ultrasound you know in trieste sorry

1007
00:43:31,059 --> 00:43:29,180
infrasound huge waves again as if

1008
00:43:35,979 --> 00:43:31,069
something enormous was swimming in the

1009
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,989
atmosphere now the more we look up there

1010
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:38,450
the more of these sprites we find as a

1011
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:40,220
matter of fact you know one of the last

1012
00:43:45,279 --> 00:43:43,970
shuttle missions shuttle Columbia the

1013
00:43:47,739 --> 00:43:45,289
one the one that crashed the woman at

1014
00:43:49,989 --> 00:43:47,749
one of the film at their last missions

1015
00:43:51,489 --> 00:43:49,999
was studying sprites in the atmosphere

1016
00:43:54,670 --> 00:43:51,499
and they found that sprites are much

1017
00:43:56,049 --> 00:43:54,680
more numerous than they first then

1018
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:56,059
anybody first thought so

1019
00:43:59,979 --> 00:43:58,249
we have no idea how many of these things

1020
00:44:02,739 --> 00:43:59,989
are up there and the problem that we

1021
00:44:05,259 --> 00:44:02,749
have is we're small and they're huge how

1022
00:44:07,150 --> 00:44:05,269
would we even begin to get a look at

1023
00:44:08,859 --> 00:44:07,160
those so that we could have to change

1024
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:08,869
our perspective to truly study that

1025
00:44:13,979 --> 00:44:11,150
phenomena to see if you know they are

1026
00:44:18,479 --> 00:44:13,989
living things up there now what about

1027
00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:18,489
what about say satellites and other

1028
00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:21,700
observational equipment I know we've had

1029
00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:24,019
atmospheric satellites up there studying

1030
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,660
you know the atmosphere it seems like

1031
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:29,599
there would what I'm getting at it seems

1032
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:30,530
like there's

1033
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:32,990
there's not really detection and I

1034
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:35,470
wonder what you have to say about that

1035
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:37,910
actually there is a lot of detection and

1036
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:39,290
I think it's mostly it's not so much a

1037
00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:41,330
matter of detection but it's a matter of

1038
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:44,600
attitude and nobody's nobody's actually

1039
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:46,760
looking at it you know looking for

1040
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:50,660
life-forms we've seen repeatedly from

1041
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:53,210
the International Space Station we've

1042
00:44:58,990 --> 00:44:56,200
seen a lot of different objects recorded

1043
00:45:00,690 --> 00:44:59,000
around the space station but what I

1044
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:00,700
would love to see is someone actually

1045
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:03,920
putting a camera outside to look for

1046
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,410
living things that might pass by the

1047
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:08,240
state station no matter as a matter of

1048
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:09,950
fact I think it would be very simple to

1049
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:12,710
set up some kind of collection device to

1050
00:45:18,910 --> 00:45:15,710
actually you know record and it's

1051
00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:18,920
actually sort of Corral and recorded in

1052
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:21,560
detail any kind of object that might

1053
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:22,850
move by there I mean there's some

1054
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:24,770
fascinating footage there dozens and

1055
00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:26,990
dozens of pieces of footage of objects

1056
00:45:31,210 --> 00:45:30,020
moving by the space station but one of

1057
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:31,220
the problems is you know when you're

1058
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:32,780
looking out the window something moves

1059
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:35,900
by quickly it's so you only get a few

1060
00:45:39,850 --> 00:45:38,030
seconds to record something some of the

1061
00:45:43,150 --> 00:45:39,860
best footage is when the the shuttles

1062
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:43,160
were approaching the space station they

1063
00:45:48,070 --> 00:45:46,460
would actually see objects moving around

1064
00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:48,080
the space station like hovering around

1065
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:50,360
it in a matter of fact there's there's

1066
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,530
one amazing clip where the shuttle is

1067
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:56,240
approaching the space station to dock

1068
00:46:00,370 --> 00:45:58,490
and you're looking at and you're looking

1069
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,380
at all of the different objects moving

1070
00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:03,200
around it and then you'll notice that

1071
00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:05,000
there's one huge one that's just kind of

1072
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:07,100
moving along the side of the space

1073
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:09,020
station like it's you know looking in

1074
00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:14,150
the window yeah I predict yeah like I

1075
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:17,900
said if you look at some of the some of

1076
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:19,970
the amazing stuff that's going on now is

1077
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:21,050
through some of the infrared

1078
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:23,240
night-vision footage that's gone out

1079
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:24,440
there have you looked at any of those oh

1080
00:46:31,090 --> 00:46:27,680
yeah yeah and I know that we only we see

1081
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:31,100
in a very small spectrum of I don't know

1082
00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:33,100
what the percentages are but I know that

1083
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:36,320
we only see a certain amount with our

1084
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:38,810
eyes basically and there's some way more

1085
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:40,340
that can be going on that we can't see

1086
00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:42,200
so when you're talking about infrared

1087
00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:43,340
you know that's

1088
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:44,870
little more the spectrum or a different

1089
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:47,810
one part of it right so you know there's

1090
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:49,550
the detection I mean people are seeing

1091
00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:51,770
if you're looking and you couldn't look

1092
00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:54,820
into your eyes grow tired and all the

1093
00:46:58,270 --> 00:46:56,900
objects that people have recorded with

1094
00:46:59,770 --> 00:46:58,280
some of the night-vision cameras that

1095
00:47:04,150 --> 00:46:59,780
are out there it's a there's an amazing

1096
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:04,160
amount of stuff also people have

1097
00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:06,110
recorded sprites whenever people look at

1098
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:09,230
them look for them they find them above

1099
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:11,150
the Thunder tops of thunderstorms I mean

1100
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:14,030
they can be perceived they can be

1101
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:16,850
detected and they can be photographed

1102
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,750
but nobody's really hunting them like a

1103
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:22,640
biologist trying to say well is this a

1104
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:23,870
living thing or looking at him let's

1105
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,430
lightning is an atmospheric phenomena

1106
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,000
now I've talked to some scientists who

1107
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:30,650
studied sprite and it's interesting cuz

1108
00:47:34,330 --> 00:47:32,150
there's a divide some of them go hi

1109
00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:34,340
you're nuts you're out of your mind and

1110
00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:37,880
some of them go hmm that's pretty

1111
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:40,790
interesting so yeah one of the things I

1112
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:42,110
wanted to talk to you about because I've

1113
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:46,510
heard the images that they have filmed

1114
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:49,010
there was one particular scene and you

1115
00:47:53,950 --> 00:47:51,080
probably have seen it where it looks

1116
00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:53,960
almost like a donut going by the window

1117
00:47:58,810 --> 00:47:56,840
almost like it's alive all right yeah

1118
00:48:02,290 --> 00:47:58,820
you know the one I'm talking about but

1119
00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:02,300
that's the supposed answer was that that

1120
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:04,790
was dust what do you have to say about

1121
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:07,700
about that well I think people are quick

1122
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:10,150
to rush to an answer it's almost as if

1123
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,350
we feel comfortable when we have an

1124
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:14,960
answer to something and this is where I

1125
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:16,790
think it's important I think a lot of

1126
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:19,370
times in the study of UFOs people get

1127
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:21,770
caught up and arguing about what

1128
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,650
happened and looking at things and

1129
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:26,720
saying you know what was it this was a

1130
00:48:30,430 --> 00:48:28,130
dad and arguing about possible

1131
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:30,440
explanations and that's why I think it's

1132
00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:33,350
important that we moved forward with the

1133
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:35,840
hypothesis and test the hypothesis let's

1134
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:38,300
take some of the best equipment that we

1135
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:40,700
have and go to some of these likely

1136
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:43,910
habitats in the atmosphere and looking

1137
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:45,590
them like hunters like biologists and

1138
00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:48,890
say okay let's see if we can record

1139
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:50,300
these things let's see if we can get a

1140
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:52,430
really close look not some blurry thing

1141
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:54,710
from afar we're you know caught somebody

1142
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,210
by surprise

1143
00:49:02,380 --> 00:48:59,359
I mean there are numerous unexplained

1144
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:02,390
luminous atmospheric phenomena that

1145
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:05,500
occur regularly around the planet and

1146
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,550
some of them are so regular they have

1147
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:10,640
festivals and parties with them but

1148
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:12,530
nobody's looking at them like a

1149
00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:16,130
biologist so you know if we go there and

1150
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:17,780
instead of argue about something in the

1151
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:19,550
past let's see if we can get some

1152
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:22,820
irrefutable evidence and see if we can

1153
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:24,280
possibly explain some of these things

1154
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:28,640
okay one scientist okay now one

1155
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,430
scientist William Corliss was a former

1156
00:49:36,310 --> 00:49:34,160
NASA engineer who did a great series of

1157
00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:36,320
books about unexplained phenomena and I

1158
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:39,020
talked to him about this possibility and

1159
00:49:46,990 --> 00:49:42,380
he came up with he said you'll need a

1160
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:47,000
body yes yes I've been told things like

1161
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:49,070
that before that's right for evidence

1162
00:49:54,339 --> 00:49:52,490
all right we're gonna be going to to a

1163
00:49:56,349 --> 00:49:54,349
break in a few minutes so just okay I

1164
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:56,359
want to tell you this story first of all

1165
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:00,020
I want to tell the people in chat if

1166
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:02,330
anyone has a question there for our

1167
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:04,010
guests during the chat I will read them

1168
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:07,060
the questions off while we go on break

1169
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:09,710
something I just thought of should have

1170
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:12,710
tried a long time ago but because I

1171
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:14,450
can't watch the chat during the show

1172
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:16,760
when I'm doing the show with you and so

1173
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:18,200
this will give the people an opportunity

1174
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:21,050
now to pose some questions for you I

1175
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:23,210
want to talk we have three minutes I

1176
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:26,810
want to tell you of a longtime supporter

1177
00:50:32,410 --> 00:50:30,410
of the show very early on he listens to

1178
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,420
every show he wanted me to tell you

1179
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:35,119
about his UFO sighting that he had back

1180
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:39,290
in 1990 he just couldn't believe his

1181
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:41,330
eyes because it looked like I don't know

1182
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:42,650
what you want to call my herd of

1183
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:44,750
dolphins it looked like dolphins

1184
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:47,900
swimming a whole bunch of how and that's

1185
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:50,330
pretty bizarre well that's one thing

1186
00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:53,210
that is important about trying to

1187
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,680
explain this is because people see these

1188
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:57,680
things and you're aware this is it it

1189
00:51:01,630 --> 00:50:59,780
baffles people and they get confused and

1190
00:51:03,099 --> 00:51:01,640
some people and they really want an

1191
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:03,109
answer and sometimes people go down

1192
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:06,170
these avenues where they don't find and

1193
00:51:09,099 --> 00:51:07,609
they think they're crazy they don't find

1194
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:09,109
that some kind of peace with what

1195
00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:10,100
they've seen

1196
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:13,580
and if we can somehow prove that these

1197
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:16,460
things are natural not they're amazing

1198
00:51:20,890 --> 00:51:18,280
but natural they're amazing nonetheless

1199
00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:20,900
then it maybe will let people feel like

1200
00:51:24,250 --> 00:51:23,060
you know they're not out of their minds

1201
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:24,260
and they've seen something that's you

1202
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:26,090
know totally natural but that is one of

1203
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:27,260
the things that a lot of people report

1204
00:51:30,850 --> 00:51:29,600
is these groups and that's in fact one

1205
00:51:32,410 --> 00:51:30,860
of the things they have in common with

1206
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:32,420
marine and vertebrates you know they

1207
00:51:35,890 --> 00:51:34,130
have group behavior they move together

1208
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:35,900
and they interact with each other that's

1209
00:51:40,570 --> 00:51:38,450
reported and it's recorded in a lot of

1210
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:40,580
different a lot of evidence going back

1211
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,190
to Kenneth Arnold you know right the

1212
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:44,720
grouping of nine or whatever it was

1213
00:51:50,110 --> 00:51:48,110
right number how many so all right well

1214
00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:50,120
one thing I did would have mentioned to

1215
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:51,230
you you mentioned the two different

1216
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:52,850
types of shapes of people saying well

1217
00:52:00,100 --> 00:51:55,130
now it seems one of the majority of

1218
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:00,110
sightings are triangle UFOs right you

1219
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:01,130
know the only thing I could think of

1220
00:52:05,740 --> 00:52:02,810
that it's like am an array or stingray

1221
00:52:08,410 --> 00:52:05,750
or something well I kept biologic yeah

1222
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:08,420
that that puzzled me too until I started

1223
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:09,910
I actually read an article about them

1224
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,010
the bioluminescent organs in squid and

1225
00:52:18,670 --> 00:52:14,960
that's one of the things that marine

1226
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:18,680
invertebrates have their bioluminescent

1227
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:20,630
they produced their own light in many

1228
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:22,790
different ways in fact I read an

1229
00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:25,130
estimate that 90% of marine life is

1230
00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:27,740
bioluminescent and I in this particular

1231
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:29,900
study of squid they showed that in the

1232
00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:31,610
front of a lot of the squid

1233
00:52:37,150 --> 00:52:34,820
there was a triangle-shaped light

1234
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:37,160
producing organ yeah it had one to three

1235
00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:39,650
different light producing organs so I

1236
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:41,720
don't know that's not that's not proof

1237
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:44,210
but it's possibility than these things

1238
00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:47,900
ever and produce light it's just you

1239
00:52:51,790 --> 00:52:49,070
know it's a possibility cuz that

1240
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:51,800
triangle shape was puzzling me too well

1241
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,170
the thing about the light you mentioned

1242
00:52:59,650 --> 00:52:56,720
that and a lot of people have talked

1243
00:53:02,200 --> 00:52:59,660
about a light that they see on a UFO as

1244
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:02,210
different than a normal light you know

1245
00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:05,030
that's right you do hear a lot about and

1246
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:07,940
and so maybe it is what is it called bio

1247
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:11,660
luminous bioluminescence right yeah it's

1248
00:53:17,590 --> 00:53:14,420
living living light right it's produced

1249
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:17,600
in many different ways some organisms

1250
00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:18,920
can produce it through a chemical

1251
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:22,300
reaction and some of them actually have

1252
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:23,990
symbiotic bacteria

1253
00:53:29,350 --> 00:53:26,510
that live within these light producing

1254
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:29,360
organs that they use to produce light

1255
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,720
it's it's fascinating yeah isn't it okay

1256
00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:34,640
well we're ready to go on break we'll

1257
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:37,550
we'll go back on a different topic right

1258
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:39,260
after the break this is Martyn Willis my

1259
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:41,990
guest is Scott Dechaine we're on kgr

1260
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:44,090
radio and we'll be right back right

1261
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:56,200
all right brother we are in the clear

1262
00:53:59,620 --> 00:53:58,130
and we've got four minutes just over

1263
00:54:02,670 --> 00:53:59,630
four minutes in this break all right

1264
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:02,680
thank you all right so I'm going to ask

1265
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:05,560
I'm going to ask you a couple of

1266
00:54:10,570 --> 00:54:07,960
questions that people have been posting

1267
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:10,580
great Martin I'm not bending your ear

1268
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:13,160
too much am i oh no not at all and also

1269
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:14,990
we can open up I'm gonna open up the

1270
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:17,990
phone line no no I this is interesting

1271
00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:20,300
does God have any thoughts about how

1272
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:24,350
they get here travel from a bee or

1273
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:27,890
through dimensions there's a few

1274
00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:31,010
questions okay do you think there are

1275
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:35,420
always here or do you think they came

1276
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:37,970
from somewhere else that's another good

1277
00:54:45,490 --> 00:54:42,940
you asking me an hour oh yeah yeah yeah

1278
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:45,500
that's a question oh well I think you

1279
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:48,650
know you if you read about some of the

1280
00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:50,950
speculation about life on other planets

1281
00:54:56,020 --> 00:54:53,740
you know Carl Sagan and arthur c clarke

1282
00:55:00,099 --> 00:54:56,030
speculated that you know we might find

1283
00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:00,109
life on Jupiter and on Europa you know

1284
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,780
Saturn's moon Europa and they speculated

1285
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:04,880
it might be like giant jellyfish you

1286
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:07,670
know gas filled the fluid filled

1287
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:12,920
organism and we think about we like to

1288
00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:14,930
draw lines as humans and say oh here's

1289
00:55:18,910 --> 00:55:17,270
the ocean and here's the atmosphere and

1290
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:18,920
here's space but there's not really a

1291
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,840
hard line you know things are moving

1292
00:55:24,609 --> 00:55:22,160
there and they're changing all the time

1293
00:55:29,170 --> 00:55:24,619
things are moving between those

1294
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,180
different realms all the time we see at

1295
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,040
the surface of the ocean there's not

1296
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:32,480
really a hard line it's more like an

1297
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:33,020
interface

1298
00:55:37,319 --> 00:55:35,090
you know things move in and out you know

1299
00:55:42,259 --> 00:55:37,329
molecules of water and organisms go in

1300
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:42,269
out of the ocean all the time so I think

1301
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:46,660
that earth is probably regularly seeded

1302
00:55:53,489 --> 00:55:50,799
by different you know organisms that hit

1303
00:55:55,529 --> 00:55:53,499
the atmosphere and I I don't know

1304
00:55:58,769 --> 00:55:55,539
there's probably a number of different

1305
00:56:00,900 --> 00:55:58,779
ways that they're dispersed but I think

1306
00:56:03,209 --> 00:56:00,910
when they a certain number of them find

1307
00:56:05,819 --> 00:56:03,219
a hospitable habitat in Earth's

1308
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:05,829
atmosphere and they blossom that's why

1309
00:56:11,489 --> 00:56:08,380
sometimes we see you know these huge

1310
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:11,499
swarms of UFOs they call them armadas a

1311
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:14,890
floatie Azure you know flaps were

1312
00:56:19,049 --> 00:56:16,569
sometimes there's a lot of them I think

1313
00:56:22,229 --> 00:56:19,059
when they it's just like a red tide in

1314
00:56:23,759 --> 00:56:22,239
the ocean when you see a group of

1315
00:56:25,979 --> 00:56:23,769
organisms especially in vertebrates

1316
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:25,989
they'll lay in a dormant state there

1317
00:56:30,209 --> 00:56:28,089
will be millions of like tiny jellyfish

1318
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:30,219
in like a dormant state just ready to go

1319
00:56:33,749 --> 00:56:32,410
and then when the conditions are right

1320
00:56:35,279 --> 00:56:33,759
when the water gets warm and

1321
00:56:37,469 --> 00:56:35,289
everything's right there just boom they

1322
00:56:39,959 --> 00:56:37,479
mature and that's why we sometimes see

1323
00:56:42,059 --> 00:56:39,969
him appear by the millions and I think

1324
00:56:44,459 --> 00:56:42,069
that might be what's happening you know

1325
00:56:47,789 --> 00:56:44,469
at the edge of space that sometimes we

1326
00:56:50,759 --> 00:56:47,799
see and I know there was a scientist

1327
00:56:55,499 --> 00:56:50,769
named Louis Frank who was studying the

1328
00:56:58,019 --> 00:56:55,509
atmosphere and he started to see what he

1329
00:57:00,719 --> 00:56:58,029
thought were things of water coming into

1330
00:57:02,849 --> 00:57:00,729
the atmosphere and he postulated that

1331
00:57:07,709 --> 00:57:02,859
there were many comments you know watery

1332
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:07,719
comments in the atmosphere okay we're

1333
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:09,880
ready to go back sorry okay sorry I'm

1334
00:57:14,339 --> 00:57:12,130
bending your ear again no no no that's a

1335
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:14,349
little less than four minutes but okay

1336
00:57:20,819 --> 00:57:18,190
okay we're ready okay we're ready to go

1337
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:20,829
about the music is this now rolling yep

1338
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:24,369
Martin sounds good okay

1339
00:57:35,549 --> 00:57:27,749
Scott you all set yes sir all right here

1340
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,559
we go in five four three two all right

1341
00:57:38,959 --> 00:57:37,119
everyone we're back this is Martin

1342
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:38,969
Willis my guest is Scott - Shane and

1343
00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:42,130
Scott we had some questions emailed in

1344
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from Kerry he writes some good questions

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and so I have not even looked at him

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00:57:53,490 --> 00:57:51,250
I've been pretty busy so let me just

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00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:53,500
read this one the first one what are

1348
00:57:59,040 --> 00:57:56,800
your thoughts on conscious connection of

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00:58:01,080 --> 00:57:59,050
two UFOs I've often heard that

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00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:01,090
individuals get an overwhelming feeling

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00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:04,450
to look up or step outside which often

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00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:06,460
leads to a sighting of a craft at that

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00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:10,750
moment that's an interesting question I

1354
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:13,360
can't begin to speculate on that but I

1355
00:58:19,110 --> 00:58:16,450
do know that there are many times where

1356
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:19,120
people have sensed that there was

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00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:21,990
something in their air in their you know

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:24,610
area above them and looked up and seen a

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00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:29,010
UFO now this kind of brings up another

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00:58:36,510 --> 00:58:33,550
area I don't know I've seen there's

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:36,520
several different UFO videos there just

1362
00:58:40,340 --> 00:58:38,290
like I've literally looked at thousands

1363
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:40,350
and thousands of these but there are

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00:58:45,180 --> 00:58:42,820
several of them where it appears that

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00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:45,190
the object of it is a living creature

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00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:49,240
seems to be looking at us as much as we

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00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:52,630
are looking at it so I don't know if we

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00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:53,950
can somehow you know sometimes you're in

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00:58:57,300 --> 00:58:55,660
a theater and you turn around and you

1370
00:58:59,310 --> 00:58:57,310
look and somebody's looking right at you

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00:59:01,770 --> 00:58:59,320
I don't know if we can sensed it we're

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00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:01,780
being watched and look up and see them

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00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,140
or if it's something more but this kind

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00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:08,880
of brings up another point which is the

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00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:11,710
jellyfish when the body that we see of

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00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:15,250
some jellyfish is the compact dense body

1377
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:17,410
it's just part of their body and they

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00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:21,130
have a trailing mass of tentacles and

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00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:24,190
make stand many times beyond their body

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00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,980
you know the main body length and we see

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00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:29,680
that with a lot of recorded people we

1382
00:59:34,350 --> 00:59:32,560
recorded UFOs with photographs and

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:34,360
videos we see trailing tails or

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:37,090
tentacles people describe them like you

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00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:40,210
know badminton birdies or parachutes or

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:42,670
ice cream cones and I would urge people

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00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:45,490
that they if they are near UFO I mean

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00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:47,560
these organisms some of them can be

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00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:50,530
venomous and toxic so and we see some of

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00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:52,990
the physical effects on people of UFOs

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00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:56,530
they're almost exactly parallel the

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01:00:00,840 --> 00:59:58,450
effects that people have from being

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01:00:03,330 --> 01:00:00,850
exposed to an invertebrate toxin so if

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01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:03,340
you see a UFO I would advise not going

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01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:05,970
anywhere near it and trying to seek

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:09,310
really Wow that's it yeah no no y-you

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01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,050
can you've heard many other reports of

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01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:16,000
people who have been exposed to UFOs

1399
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:17,980
close encounters a lot of people have

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01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:20,800
you know the irritation the skier skin

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01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:21,700
irritation

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sometimes a long-term neurological and

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01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:28,150
physical effects and like I said they've

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01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:31,390
almost exactly parallel the effects of

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:32,980
invertebrate toxin you know in

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01:00:37,220 --> 01:00:34,210
vertebrates have some of the most toxic

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01:00:40,220 --> 01:00:37,230
substances that they use to hunt and

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01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:40,230
that sort of leads into another area of

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01:00:46,830 --> 01:00:44,230
when you look into you know what if if

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01:00:48,210 --> 01:00:46,840
you play what if that leads into a whole

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01:00:50,910 --> 01:00:48,220
nother area you know well if there is

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01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:50,920
this whole realm of life above us you

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:52,600
know could some of them be predators and

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01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:54,730
you think well if you saw predators if

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01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:56,980
there are there are predators you might

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:00:59,200
see things like you know cattle

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01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:02,050
mutilations or David Politis is missing

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01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:05,110
for 1/1 and so there seems to be you

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01:01:08,580 --> 01:01:06,520
know that kind of evidence too in that

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:08,590
in that area which is kind of disturbing

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:10,810
area to think about but right right I

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01:01:17,130 --> 01:01:12,490
don't even know if I've told you this

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:17,140
but we do take calls and okay so we're

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01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:18,730
gonna post the call number up there now

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01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:22,000
if anyone would like to call in or if

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01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:24,940
you're over on KCRA radio and you want

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:27,460
to hear the the write this down the

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01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:29,890
column number is six oh three nine six

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01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:33,070
seven four OH three oh and you're

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01:01:37,410 --> 01:01:35,890
welcome to call and and ask our guest

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01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:37,420
two questions someone named Todd and

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01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:39,580
chat said he wanted to call in so the

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01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:44,440
lines are open so let me let me go ahead

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01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:46,120
and mark I'm sorry well I wanted to

1435
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:47,710
share one experience about

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01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:50,890
bioluminescence that it kind of might

1437
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:53,650
point to the possibility that some of

1438
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:56,110
these organisms you know some of the

1439
01:01:59,610 --> 01:01:57,310
objects that we see might be

1440
01:02:01,920 --> 01:01:59,620
bioluminescent organisms you know many

1441
01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:01,930
levels of the atmosphere if you think of

1442
01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:04,870
the ocean the ocean of air is an

1443
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:06,820
environment you think where where it

1444
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,130
would be good habitat niches for

1445
01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:11,200
organisms to live you think okay at the

1446
01:02:15,860 --> 01:02:12,520
bottom of the ocean there's like

1447
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:15,870
crevices there's faults there's caves

1448
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:18,070
what do we see around those things and

1449
01:02:20,579 --> 01:02:18,640
we see

1450
01:02:23,339 --> 01:02:20,589
the places around the earth or you know

1451
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,349
mystery lights earthquake lights spook

1452
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:26,079
lights and so those are areas of

1453
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:27,700
promising research that we can study

1454
01:02:32,579 --> 01:02:29,410
those while are actually on the ground I

1455
01:02:35,730 --> 01:02:32,589
went out with the Travel Channel show

1456
01:02:38,370 --> 01:02:35,740
America Declassified to Marfa to Marfa

1457
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,380
Texas to study the Marfa lights out

1458
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:40,240
there and those are a recurring

1459
01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:43,210
phenomena you see them all different

1460
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:44,740
times of the year in these mysterious

1461
01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:46,990
lights moving around the the desert

1462
01:02:52,049 --> 01:02:49,420
planes out there and we went out there

1463
01:02:53,609 --> 01:02:52,059
with a FLIR camera you know the

1464
01:02:56,849 --> 01:02:53,619
forward-looking infrared you know the

1465
01:02:58,740 --> 01:02:56,859
big van I can see people at nighttime

1466
01:03:00,990 --> 01:02:58,750
eight miles away it can see him out in

1467
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,000
the desert and we had some you know

1468
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:03,039
former military guys that were running

1469
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:05,650
that and they were very seasoned vets

1470
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:07,380
about you know using this equipment and

1471
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:10,900
within it hours of being there we saw

1472
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:14,950
these unexplained lights that were you

1473
01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:16,180
know in the middle of the desert when

1474
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:20,920
nothing was out there and they produced

1475
01:03:25,259 --> 01:03:23,170
a visible light signature you could see

1476
01:03:27,329 --> 01:03:25,269
them with a low with the highly

1477
01:03:30,660 --> 01:03:27,339
sensitive visible lights but they didn't

1478
01:03:33,630 --> 01:03:30,670
show up on the FLIR which measures heat

1479
01:03:35,549 --> 01:03:33,640
so they didn't produce heat but they

1480
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:35,559
produced light now the only form of

1481
01:03:41,249 --> 01:03:38,170
light that we know of that produces

1482
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,259
light without heat is by oh my oh I knew

1483
01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:44,079
you're gonna say that yeah so it's not

1484
01:03:48,269 --> 01:03:45,750
proof that that there are

1485
01:03:50,279 --> 01:03:48,279
bioluminescence but because an organism

1486
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:50,289
uses energy to produce that light and it

1487
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:52,150
has to be very efficient about producing

1488
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:54,970
that light so it's not proof but it's

1489
01:03:59,160 --> 01:03:56,500
definitely you know shows that there's

1490
01:04:01,470 --> 01:03:59,170
further possibility to study great we

1491
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:01,480
have a call caller your first name where

1492
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:07,180
you calling from Virginia did you say

1493
01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:10,089
Scott Todd Oh

1494
01:04:14,249 --> 01:04:11,980
todd todd yeah in the chat room yeah

1495
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:14,259
yeah your your your connection phone

1496
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:16,930
connections not perfect so try to talk

1497
01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:18,490
clearly if you would you have a question

1498
01:04:26,279 --> 01:04:23,380
for our guests sure that kind of an

1499
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,289
observation about where someone then I

1500
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:28,000
have a question for kind of both you

1501
01:04:32,430 --> 01:04:31,750
guys it's more pertaining to like Ernest

1502
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:32,440
it's

1503
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:36,400
thought it first no sprites I went from

1504
01:04:43,230 --> 01:04:39,640
what I've seen what I've heard the soft

1505
01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:43,240
documentary on it they the electrical

1506
01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:45,460
power they're a lot stronger than like a

1507
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:49,109
normal like and they actually the

1508
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:51,490
strength electricity so that's so strong

1509
01:04:59,099 --> 01:04:55,260
it actually damages the ionosphere and

1510
01:05:01,050 --> 01:04:59,109
it creates pockets where Liao's like you

1511
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:01,060
know cosmic radiation from the Sun in

1512
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:04,030
there I have to study which other

1513
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:06,430
existing the the second base like you

1514
01:05:10,589 --> 01:05:07,690
know organic and traveling through space

1515
01:05:13,230 --> 01:05:10,599
one thing that hydrogen is one of the

1516
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:13,240
most common elements in the interstellar

1517
01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:15,670
space though they possibly fit use that

1518
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:21,040
for fuel for consumption right I was I

1519
01:05:28,109 --> 01:05:25,079
don't know hey to a lot of these

1520
01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:28,119
invertebrates they enter a form in their

1521
01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:31,150
life cycle when they're kind of in

1522
01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:34,150
stasis they kind of they go into a cyst

1523
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:37,960
form and it's incredibly durable this

1524
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:40,089
one jellyfish scientists told me they

1525
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:42,190
tried to kill these cysts they radiated

1526
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:44,470
them they froze them and they couldn't

1527
01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:46,540
kill him they take them after ten years

1528
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:48,760
being frozen they put them back in water

1529
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:51,010
and they'd go boom they just come back

1530
01:05:56,579 --> 01:05:53,410
to life so you know if these kind of

1531
01:05:58,140 --> 01:05:56,589
organisms do move through you know vast

1532
01:06:02,480 --> 01:05:58,150
reaches of space and they're in this

1533
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:02,490
kind of you know kind of a static form

1534
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:03,670
hibernation

1535
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:06,880
right all right but and then when they

1536
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:08,410
hit you know the warm moist atmosphere

1537
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:10,990
of the planet of our planet or some

1538
01:06:14,609 --> 01:06:12,970
other planet they might all of a sudden

1539
01:06:16,589 --> 01:06:14,619
you know blossom in the life and we see

1540
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:16,599
that with UFOs that kind of activity

1541
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:20,079
where we see a swarm or a floatie 'or an

1542
01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:22,569
armada of ufos when they reach there

1543
01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:23,980
right it's like all of a sudden they go

1544
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:26,940
boom and just appear out of nowhere

1545
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:29,710
all right well Todd hey thank you for

1546
01:06:34,819 --> 01:06:31,050
the call

1547
01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:34,829
yeah I got one quick thing what I yeah

1548
01:06:40,589 --> 01:06:38,440
all right so it's kind of really in the

1549
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:40,599
furtiveness I grab a tractor-trailer and

1550
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:44,050
uh up in currently what I'm doing right

1551
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:46,210
now delivering water for female

1552
01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:49,480
- well Florida so everybody talks about

1553
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:51,700
you know zero-point energy and

1554
01:06:56,810 --> 01:06:53,890
disclosure and we got this

1555
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,820
no-nobody the big whole industry

1556
01:07:00,360 --> 01:06:58,240
wouldn't want to come up there

1557
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:00,370
monopolies and everybody go off the grid

1558
01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:04,990
and whatnot so my thoughts were doing

1559
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:07,540
what I'm doing right now thinking I'm

1560
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:09,010
like you know the insurance industry

1561
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:11,290
well probably not as big as the whole

1562
01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:14,260
industry but pretty big history industry

1563
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:16,870
and uh if they do have zero point

1564
01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:21,520
industry zero point energy and you know

1565
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:23,020
if everybody got it because everybody

1566
01:07:28,140 --> 01:07:25,450
folks contributing to global warming and

1567
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,150
we all know the fossil fuels do that the

1568
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:29,920
damage that these hurricanes and

1569
01:07:34,290 --> 01:07:32,320
typhoons up on the other end of the

1570
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,300
world cause is to the insurance

1571
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:36,880
industries you think you know if they

1572
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:38,860
could get off of our addiction to fossil

1573
01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:42,240
fuel and you know we would be able to

1574
01:07:51,140 --> 01:07:45,160
pollute the environment and cause

1575
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:51,150
problems that what do you guess on that

1576
01:07:58,350 --> 01:07:56,050
your name won't answer well I don't know

1577
01:08:00,450 --> 01:07:58,360
you know what they have out there you

1578
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:00,460
know this is you know quite a bit off

1579
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:01,930
the topic of what we're talking about

1580
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:05,440
but yeah all right no that's all right

1581
01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:08,020
and I don't really understand if they

1582
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:10,300
really have you know something in the

1583
01:08:14,310 --> 01:08:12,910
works that we don't know about you know

1584
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:14,320
free energy type of thing and I know

1585
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:16,090
that it would totally change the world

1586
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:19,390
if they did and it would be first in

1587
01:08:25,230 --> 01:08:23,020
economic crash and then I think things

1588
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:25,240
would rebuild and you know that's my own

1589
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:27,870
opinion but it can get really political

1590
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:33,130
but I I don't know if if that's being

1591
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:35,980
held back and there's there's technology

1592
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:38,170
we just don't know about yet or not I

1593
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:40,930
have no idea it's a puzzle well it's a

1594
01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:42,730
big question and that's always been the

1595
01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:46,060
case in the human progress is you know

1596
01:08:49,770 --> 01:08:48,040
any kind of revolutionary idea meets a

1597
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:49,780
lot of resistance because like you said

1598
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:51,730
it's gonna disrupt the whole

1599
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:55,690
establishment of you know power so you

1600
01:08:59,939 --> 01:08:57,730
know you got to kind of trust the good

1601
01:09:02,669 --> 01:08:59,949
ideas like in nature they're gonna

1602
01:09:04,559 --> 01:09:02,679
and somehow succeed but I have a quote

1603
01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:04,569
on my wall from Mark Twain that says a

1604
01:09:10,769 --> 01:09:07,630
man with a new idea is a crank until the

1605
01:09:14,820 --> 01:09:10,779
idea succeeded so yes you know great

1606
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:14,830
sayings yeah but you know that's why you

1607
01:09:18,959 --> 01:09:16,810
look at some of the ideas like I'm sure

1608
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:18,969
you've heard of Nikola Tesla you know he

1609
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:20,770
developed so Hut's but some of his ideas

1610
01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:22,810
for free energy you know he predicted

1611
01:09:26,459 --> 01:09:24,460
we'd have you having free energy by now

1612
01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:26,469
would be grabbing it from the sky yeah

1613
01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:28,540
right but they never materialized

1614
01:09:34,829 --> 01:09:31,000
because you can't put a meter on free

1615
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:34,839
energy so it's hard it's hard demand

1616
01:09:41,849 --> 01:09:39,250
yeah you know it's just like the the

1617
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,859
whole industry when it all boils down to

1618
01:09:46,559 --> 01:09:43,839
that by you know the powers to be money

1619
01:09:49,079 --> 01:09:46,569
right if I wants money so you disrupting

1620
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:49,089
one industry the oil industry but like

1621
01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:51,370
the internet industry is pretty massive

1622
01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:52,900
too and though my thinking all the

1623
01:09:56,910 --> 01:09:54,790
billions of dollars and damage that

1624
01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:56,920
these hurricanes caused and typhoons

1625
01:10:01,680 --> 01:09:58,840
Falls if there's a way to mitigate that

1626
01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:01,690
and lower that you know they were kind

1627
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:04,840
of want to go to that you know so I'm

1628
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:07,300
done room well it's you know it's kind

1629
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:10,210
of interesting to think we think we can

1630
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:11,530
manipulate the weather but there are

1631
01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:13,870
such vast forces I don't know if well I

1632
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:16,360
mean in a way you know we're fortunate

1633
01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:18,190
now that we can see these things ahead

1634
01:10:22,890 --> 01:10:21,100
of time and try and avoid you know the

1635
01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:22,900
disasters try and move people out and

1636
01:10:26,340 --> 01:10:24,760
get ready you know hunker down just

1637
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:26,350
think about how fortunate we are to be

1638
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:29,080
able to see on satellites you know

1639
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:30,790
weather satellites other storms coming

1640
01:10:34,050 --> 01:10:32,050
and you know we can move out of the way

1641
01:10:36,030 --> 01:10:34,060
or in the past I mean they were a

1642
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:36,040
hundred years ago they had no idea which

1643
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:37,360
is hitting right yeah

1644
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:39,190
massive tragedies if you look at some of

1645
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:40,449
the tragedies through history some of

1646
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:42,370
the storms we're talking a loss of

1647
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:50,010
galliston anyway yeah I appreciate

1648
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:52,270
taking my comp time great show Martin

1649
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:54,310
all right hey thanks Todd let me ask you

1650
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:56,020
before you head out Todd let me ask you

1651
01:11:02,600 --> 01:10:58,449
real quick you ever had you ever hear

1652
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:02,610
the the coho quite down in West Point

1653
01:11:10,410 --> 01:11:05,230
Hope like yeah down in West Point

1654
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:10,420
Virginia no I can't see it but I I live

1655
01:11:15,330 --> 01:11:13,690
about 30 minutes away from West Point

1656
01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:15,340
that yeah check that out because I

1657
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:17,080
actually did it went down there and did

1658
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:19,690
a whole field study down there and

1659
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,370
there's a one of those weird lights down

1660
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:23,199
there people I've seen there and we got

1661
01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:25,570
some really cool images down there it's

1662
01:11:29,490 --> 01:11:27,790
a mysterious area and the Great Dismal

1663
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:29,500
Swamp you ever hear that down there near

1664
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:33,489
the coast oh yeah oh yeah that's a

1665
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:38,530
creepy place to innit yeah yeah yeah all

1666
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,590
right yeah how do you spell that real

1667
01:11:50,010 --> 01:11:43,360
quick already damn suck it up

1668
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:50,020
Co Hoch Co H Oh Kate not if you go to my

1669
01:11:55,530 --> 01:11:52,750
ad if you go to the the YouTube channel

1670
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:55,540
the living sky and look for light on the

1671
01:11:59,729 --> 01:11:57,130
tracks you'll see we have a trailer

1672
01:12:06,360 --> 01:11:59,739
there for the production we're doing on

1673
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:06,370
that awesome oh yeah there's some guys

1674
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,840
singing there but they have a song about

1675
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:10,080
the late it's that popular down there so

1676
01:12:18,270 --> 01:12:15,690
Wow yeah okay awesome well thank you

1677
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:18,280
alright thanks a lot yeah

1678
01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:20,410
all right so we have the line open if

1679
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:22,600
anyone else would like to give give a

1680
01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:27,850
call let me ask this other question and

1681
01:12:31,459 --> 01:12:29,980
I think we kind of answered this do you

1682
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:31,469
think it's possible that the orb

1683
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:33,940
phenomena there's some sort of life form

1684
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:35,830
opposed to the nuts and bolts looking

1685
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:40,360
craft absolutely I think if you look we

1686
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:42,250
actually did I did a compilation of some

1687
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:46,660
more videos on the YouTube channel the

1688
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:50,170
living sky I think you know if you think

1689
01:12:54,209 --> 01:12:52,690
of again the invertebrates have a whole

1690
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:54,219
different life cycle on what we're used

1691
01:12:57,450 --> 01:12:54,489
to

1692
01:13:02,820 --> 01:12:57,460
they reproduce in many different ways

1693
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:02,830
and these big if there are organisms in

1694
01:13:09,090 --> 01:13:05,190
the atmosphere yeah they're gonna drop

1695
01:13:11,340 --> 01:13:09,100
tons of you know eggs that turn into

1696
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:11,350
these kind of you know miniature sort of

1697
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:13,930
larval forms and we might see them

1698
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:15,850
moving around like these swarms of orbs

1699
01:13:19,860 --> 01:13:17,530
and if you look at some of the swarms of

1700
01:13:21,630 --> 01:13:19,870
orbs that people have seen I mean a lot

1701
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:21,640
of them you know you got to be skeptical

1702
01:13:25,950 --> 01:13:24,340
a lot of them look like dust pollen

1703
01:13:27,329 --> 01:13:25,960
particles that are caught in their

1704
01:13:29,009 --> 01:13:27,339
artifacts of the camera

1705
01:13:31,049 --> 01:13:29,019
but some of them you look at and then

1706
01:13:33,899 --> 01:13:31,059
you go these things are moving around

1707
01:13:35,759 --> 01:13:33,909
they're interacting with people and so

1708
01:13:38,579 --> 01:13:35,769
yeah I think that some of those may be

1709
01:13:41,699 --> 01:13:38,589
alive now Wow how do you cap how do you

1710
01:13:43,379 --> 01:13:41,709
capture one right you know yeah and it's

1711
01:13:45,419 --> 01:13:43,389
like capturing a jellyfish it's gonna go

1712
01:13:47,489 --> 01:13:45,429
poof it's gonna disappear so how do you

1713
01:13:50,699 --> 01:13:47,499
capture one I think I remember something

1714
01:13:53,579 --> 01:13:50,709
about an orb in a back yard where it

1715
01:13:55,109 --> 01:13:53,589
sort of like attacked this little girl I

1716
01:13:57,839 --> 01:13:55,119
don't know if you ever heard that whole

1717
01:13:59,879 --> 01:13:57,849
story oh my gosh yeah but anyway we have

1718
01:14:03,179 --> 01:13:59,889
a caller on the line calling your first

1719
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:03,189
name where you calling from Brian from

1720
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:04,089
Frederick Maryland

1721
01:14:11,909 --> 01:14:09,550
hi Brian welcome mark hi guys are you

1722
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:11,919
doing all right how are you you have a

1723
01:14:21,809 --> 01:14:20,050
question for Scott I do okay now with

1724
01:14:24,409 --> 01:14:21,819
the eyeball that like explained was like

1725
01:14:26,579 --> 01:14:24,419
a red eyeball that kernel whole city saw

1726
01:14:29,429 --> 01:14:26,589
could that could you think that could

1727
01:14:32,939 --> 01:14:29,439
have been like a living UFO type of deal

1728
01:14:38,969 --> 01:14:32,949
I do also uh also beyond the face

1729
01:14:40,619 --> 01:14:38,979
phenomena too that the cable little

1730
01:14:43,559 --> 01:14:40,629
sparks flying around or whatever that's

1731
01:15:01,139 --> 01:14:52,619
face fireflies phenomenon that even done

1732
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,149
Glenn no before John Glenn first name

1733
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:03,760
document or no you don't talk about the

1734
01:15:12,599 --> 01:15:08,530
guy George Adamski is that you're

1735
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:12,609
talking about okay I didn't know he had

1736
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:14,019
seen those kind of things that's

1737
01:15:24,809 --> 01:15:22,209
interesting Gemini and then also how

1738
01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:24,819
about the out from the tether footage

1739
01:15:30,809 --> 01:15:26,260
you know how they slowed it down and

1740
01:15:32,699 --> 01:15:30,819
they show the look like like organisms

1741
01:15:34,979 --> 01:15:32,709
organisms in the fishbowl I mean through

1742
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:34,989
exactly isn't that mind-boggling stuff

1743
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:38,169
isn't it yeah so like all that could it

1744
01:15:42,609 --> 01:15:40,610
be living stuff and what about the space

1745
01:15:44,590 --> 01:15:42,619
we like like if that's something that

1746
01:15:48,609 --> 01:15:44,600
could be the same thing to the space

1747
01:15:50,109 --> 01:15:48,619
would basically phenomena oh right yeah

1748
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:50,119
well that's the thing if you start

1749
01:15:54,340 --> 01:15:52,940
looking and saying well what if and you

1750
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:54,350
start looking there's a ton of evidence

1751
01:15:57,939 --> 01:15:55,730
out there it sounds like you're familiar

1752
01:16:01,870 --> 01:15:57,949
with a lot of it and you start looking

1753
01:16:03,580 --> 01:16:01,880
at it yeah well if you start looking at

1754
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:03,590
it like that so that's the thing I mean

1755
01:16:06,669 --> 01:16:05,150
you've seen that there's a lot of it out

1756
01:16:08,379 --> 01:16:06,679
there I would like to get up there and

1757
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,389
actually you know get a good close look

1758
01:16:11,770 --> 01:16:10,400
even if we just put a net outside the

1759
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:11,780
space station see if you can catch

1760
01:16:16,930 --> 01:16:14,570
something out there you know right yeah

1761
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,940
but that's that's the thing I think all

1762
01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:19,040
we got to do is get people's mind around

1763
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,860
the idea that these actually might be

1764
01:16:27,459 --> 01:16:23,840
living things and then start looking at

1765
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:27,469
him looking for them like that I think

1766
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:29,540
it was on the greatest story ever denied

1767
01:16:34,209 --> 01:16:32,750
they said that a study said they planted

1768
01:16:35,709 --> 01:16:34,219
there was they thought there was actual

1769
01:16:37,870 --> 01:16:35,719
living critters out there that's like

1770
01:16:40,169 --> 01:16:37,880
that's a quote problem that's right

1771
01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:40,179
it's got carpenter that's right yeah

1772
01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:42,980
yeah yeah he said that a couple

1773
01:16:47,070 --> 01:16:44,270
different times on a couple different

1774
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:47,080
occasions and it's interesting because

1775
01:16:52,930 --> 01:16:49,790
he said that right at right after John

1776
01:16:54,129 --> 01:16:52,940
Glenn flew for the first time he said

1777
01:16:56,169 --> 01:16:54,139
that they thought that they might be

1778
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:56,179
living critters it and then they did a

1779
01:17:02,560 --> 01:16:59,840
50-year anniversary production on John

1780
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:02,570
Glenn's friendship 7 flight and he was

1781
01:17:09,340 --> 01:17:04,489
still talking about it he said that all

1782
01:17:11,530 --> 01:17:09,350
the best yeah he said all the best yeah

1783
01:17:13,300 --> 01:17:11,540
all the best scientific minds of the

1784
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,310
time we're thinking about it that they

1785
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:14,719
might be living creatures out there now

1786
01:17:19,570 --> 01:17:17,900
I don't know if they did any study about

1787
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:19,580
that I can't find any evidence that they

1788
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:21,170
did any further study on that direction

1789
01:17:30,850 --> 01:17:29,330
which seems to me it was what I said it

1790
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:30,860
would be suppressed if anything I mean

1791
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:32,150
like what they would let that get out

1792
01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:33,860
well why do you think they would

1793
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:39,320
suppress that because I mean whatever

1794
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,510
how would they have evolved up there I

1795
01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:44,480
mean there's evolution I like that well

1796
01:17:48,010 --> 01:17:46,790
I wonder about that I mean I you know

1797
01:17:50,379 --> 01:17:48,020
part of me thinks well either they do

1798
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:50,389
know about it and then they're not

1799
01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:52,610
telling anybody or they don't know about

1800
01:17:57,460 --> 01:17:53,990
it they just haven't looked in

1801
01:18:00,280 --> 01:17:57,470
no we're well that's the possibility

1802
01:18:02,140 --> 01:18:00,290
where do they come from if you think you

1803
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:02,150
know they might be coming into the

1804
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,250
atmosphere all the time and we only see

1805
01:18:08,890 --> 01:18:06,560
them you know when they blossom in the

1806
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:08,900
warm moist air I mean they might be you

1807
01:18:12,970 --> 01:18:10,730
know like seeding the atmosphere from

1808
01:18:20,970 --> 01:18:12,980
vast regions of space as we travel

1809
01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:25,240
right well one scientist found out he

1810
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:26,870
started looking at the atmosphere and

1811
01:18:31,780 --> 01:18:30,320
dining that there were these blobs of

1812
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:31,790
water that were coming into the

1813
01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:34,130
atmosphere and his name is Louis Franck

1814
01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:36,910
any was at the University of Iowa and he

1815
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:40,430
he said well these might be watery

1816
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,810
comets that are hitting the atmosphere

1817
01:18:44,590 --> 01:18:43,040
many comets

1818
01:18:46,750 --> 01:18:44,600
he said there were these house-sized

1819
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:46,760
comets that are hitting the atmosphere

1820
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:48,770
and they're in the atmosphere you know

1821
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:50,000
not just occasionally but he said

1822
01:18:55,090 --> 01:18:51,530
thousands of times a day

1823
01:18:56,830 --> 01:18:55,100
and a lot of scientists said oh you're

1824
01:18:59,460 --> 01:18:56,840
crazy or nuts it was incredible the

1825
01:19:01,660 --> 01:18:59,470
controversy that this guy stirred up and

1826
01:19:03,220 --> 01:19:01,670
they said let's go test it and they

1827
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:03,230
actually went and looked and they found

1828
01:19:08,050 --> 01:19:06,650
out that there are indeed these blobs

1829
01:19:09,580 --> 01:19:08,060
these things of water hitting the

1830
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:09,590
atmosphere boom boom boom boom boom all

1831
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:14,090
the time now are all those mini comets

1832
01:19:18,190 --> 01:19:15,830
are they all sterile or do some of them

1833
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,200
contain organic matter and some of them

1834
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:20,000
contain organic matter do they might can

1835
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:22,640
possibly contain you know some kind of

1836
01:19:26,980 --> 01:19:24,890
cysts or some kind of spores of some

1837
01:19:28,330 --> 01:19:26,990
other kind of organisms that actually

1838
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:28,340
are hitting the earth all the time I

1839
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:29,690
don't know this is these are questions

1840
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:39,160
thanks for your questions that's great

1841
01:19:46,450 --> 01:19:43,930
stuff all right all right yeah take care

1842
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,460
one of the one of the main things I

1843
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:48,320
thought of Escarpment we first started

1844
01:19:54,340 --> 01:19:50,510
talking is you know most of the time

1845
01:19:58,660 --> 01:19:54,350
people talk about you know UFOs shooting

1846
01:20:02,770 --> 01:19:58,670
off at an incredible speed and so that

1847
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,780
would take all of the organic you know

1848
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:05,360
your thoughts of a living creature kind

1849
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:07,770
of out of the picture wouldn't it

1850
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:10,450
no as a matter of fact when you if you

1851
01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:14,530
think about how these organisms move it

1852
01:20:19,860 --> 01:20:16,750
makes perfect sense the way some of the

1853
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:19,870
UFOs behave I actually went and

1854
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:22,480
identified ten different ways that UFOs

1855
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,310
parallel marine and vertebrates and one

1856
01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:26,560
of them is in how they move

1857
01:20:31,770 --> 01:20:28,360
you know how they how they propel

1858
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:31,780
themselves again well divided in the two

1859
01:20:37,950 --> 01:20:33,970
different areas of the jellyfish in the

1860
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:37,960
squid an Australian Air Force colonel

1861
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:41,130
did an analysis of how jellyfish move

1862
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:43,090
and he found out that they actually

1863
01:20:48,210 --> 01:20:46,810
produce with a small flecks of their

1864
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,220
muscle they're like a ring of muscle

1865
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:50,320
with a small flecks of their muscle they

1866
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:54,370
produce a vortex and they actually ride

1867
01:20:59,820 --> 01:20:56,770
on that vortex so they flex and then

1868
01:21:02,340 --> 01:20:59,830
ride that vortex away so they can

1869
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:02,350
actually float virtually motionless and

1870
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:03,970
all of a sudden just go poof and then

1871
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:07,570
they're gone and that seems to parallel

1872
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:09,310
out of the behavior that people report

1873
01:21:14,460 --> 01:21:12,910
with disc-shaped UFOs they will they

1874
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:14,470
actually seem to pulse a lot of them

1875
01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:17,110
report that they pulse they change shape

1876
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:19,660
as they move in fact that's why you see

1877
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:22,270
sometimes people report different shapes

1878
01:21:27,630 --> 01:21:25,300
some people say oh it's like a circle

1879
01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:27,640
some people say it was like a curve and

1880
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,320
but they're actually seeing different

1881
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:32,080
aspects of the same object when they're

1882
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:35,710
reporting different shape so the

1883
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,910
jellyfish can actually hover

1884
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:38,800
motionlessly people we tend to think of

1885
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:40,710
a jellyfish which is very passive

1886
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:43,210
organisms just sort of you know move

1887
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:45,250
around wherever the waves take them but

1888
01:21:48,030 --> 01:21:46,570
they're actually really good swimmers

1889
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:48,040
you know the mature ones are very good

1890
01:21:52,650 --> 01:21:50,950
swimmers they ride currents and they can

1891
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,660
actually you know they surf through the

1892
01:21:57,150 --> 01:21:55,360
currents and they can actually change

1893
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,160
their direction with that muscular

1894
01:22:02,760 --> 01:21:59,440
pulsing and create their own vortexes

1895
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:02,770
and move if you look at some of the more

1896
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:05,440
interesting UFO videos you can actually

1897
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:08,650
see some of these disks seem to you know

1898
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:10,990
they kind of ride the the wind and they

1899
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:12,490
kind of will move and they'll go back

1900
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:13,930
and then they'll you know they'll kind

1901
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:15,550
of catch the wind like a sail they'll

1902
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:17,350
open themselves up and catch the wind

1903
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:18,910
and zip and then they kind of tack

1904
01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:20,230
against it and come back

1905
01:22:25,890 --> 01:22:23,980
it's fascinating stuff now squid on the

1906
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,900
other hand they have they can produce

1907
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:28,239
within themselves different chemicals

1908
01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:30,610
that change their buoyancy so they can

1909
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:33,190
move up and down and hover in different

1910
01:22:37,050 --> 01:22:35,530
aspects but within their bodies they

1911
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:37,060
actually have these chambers that are

1912
01:22:41,550 --> 01:22:39,370
like living Jets so they squeeze and

1913
01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:41,560
then they produce these Jets that just

1914
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:43,540
let them go zipping away and that's how

1915
01:22:47,940 --> 01:22:46,180
we people who often reported the cigar

1916
01:22:49,860 --> 01:22:47,950
shaped things they tended hover and move

1917
01:22:52,530 --> 01:22:49,870
slowly and then all of a sudden they go

1918
01:22:56,610 --> 01:22:52,540
they're just gone quicker then you can

1919
01:23:00,210 --> 01:22:56,620
even imagine so it's very much it's it's

1920
01:23:02,220 --> 01:23:00,220
almost like a affirmation of the

1921
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:02,230
parallels with the organisms rather than

1922
01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:04,930
a refutation but you know the only the

1923
01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:07,630
difference is here we're talking fluid

1924
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:10,660
compared to you know an atmosphere and

1925
01:23:14,430 --> 01:23:12,190
and then if we're talking up upper

1926
01:23:17,010 --> 01:23:14,440
atmosphere we're talking very thin so

1927
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:17,020
they don't really have they don't really

1928
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:19,750
have the matter to propel them as far as

1929
01:23:23,729 --> 01:23:22,330
as far as I can well that's that's where

1930
01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:23,739
we that's where again it's that

1931
01:23:28,050 --> 01:23:25,480
perception of our atmosphere is being

1932
01:23:30,180 --> 01:23:28,060
insubstantial when really there's a huge

1933
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:30,190
amount of force and energy there's a

1934
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,070
huge amount of gas and vapor within the

1935
01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:34,960
atmosphere so there's a lot for them to

1936
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:37,150
work with it's just the fact that we

1937
01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:38,950
moved through it we don't think of it as

1938
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:41,500
something substantial but if you think

1939
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:42,910
of the different pressures and they're

1940
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:47,440
involved in the amount of yeah you ought

1941
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,850
to check some time on the amount of

1942
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:51,040
energy and the amount of water that's

1943
01:23:55,470 --> 01:23:53,110
like in one funder cloud it's it's just

1944
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:55,480
incredible the amount of material it's

1945
01:24:01,290 --> 01:23:58,690
above our heads it's not like it's all

1946
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:01,300
empty its full of you know energy and

1947
01:24:06,780 --> 01:24:03,489
minerals and water vapor and other gases

1948
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:06,790
so and mostly nitrogen but it's it's a

1949
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:09,610
huge and it's very it's a very

1950
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:11,230
substantial environment from the move

1951
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,210
around in you're going to think about

1952
01:24:19,050 --> 01:24:15,760
mass and gravity you know how word is

1953
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:19,060
all very play into how something can

1954
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:22,390
move about and stay up in the atmosphere

1955
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:26,560
floating ready in the day out well

1956
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:28,840
that's a good question I mean like I

1957
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:31,840
said it's a hypothesis and why the ideal

1958
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:33,610
to me it would be the

1959
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:37,210
near some of these sprites and see if

1960
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:40,720
you could possibly know tag one and see

1961
01:24:44,670 --> 01:24:42,430
well where does it go where does it move

1962
01:24:46,860 --> 01:24:44,680
how does it you know how does it move

1963
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:46,870
through the atmosphere it does it

1964
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:48,730
persist does it keep going another thing

1965
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:50,340
that would be great is to actually get

1966
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:53,100
there's a chemical that actually reveals

1967
01:24:59,550 --> 01:24:57,310
the presence of DNA which we you know is

1968
01:25:01,380 --> 01:24:59,560
the it's the building block of all life

1969
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:01,390
that we know of and it would be

1970
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:03,130
interesting to me to go to some of these

1971
01:25:08,370 --> 01:25:05,770
areas where these objects are seen and

1972
01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:08,380
you know Dow's the atmosphere and see if

1973
01:25:14,210 --> 01:25:11,470
there is any DNA but it's revealed there

1974
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:14,220
it's a big question but if you think I

1975
01:25:18,150 --> 01:25:16,270
didn't want to do it here because I

1976
01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:18,160
don't really have my computer in front

1977
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:19,270
of me I don't want to do it but if you

1978
01:25:25,530 --> 01:25:22,270
take a cup a glass of water just to give

1979
01:25:26,850 --> 01:25:25,540
you an idea of the amount of energy in

1980
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:26,860
the atmosphere the amount of substance

1981
01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:32,050
in the atmosphere and if you put a piece

1982
01:25:36,750 --> 01:25:34,240
of cardboard on top of the water and

1983
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:36,760
then if you turn the glass upside down

1984
01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:38,620
like I'm not gonna do it here get a

1985
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:41,950
glass yeah right well glass yeah it

1986
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:44,380
won't fall and the reason is the force

1987
01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:45,910
the pressure of the atmosphere is

1988
01:25:51,870 --> 01:25:49,510
pushing up on the bottom of that piece

1989
01:25:54,060 --> 01:25:51,880
of board more than the force of the

1990
01:25:55,530 --> 01:25:54,070
water is pushing down so that's the kind

1991
01:25:59,810 --> 01:25:55,540
of forces in the atmosphere that we're

1992
01:26:02,850 --> 01:25:59,820
talking about now if you're seeing

1993
01:26:04,890 --> 01:26:02,860
organisms that you know can use their

1994
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:04,900
bodies to propel themselves with some

1995
01:26:12,330 --> 01:26:08,110
kind of vortex you might find actual

1996
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:12,340
tracks and traces of them and you know

1997
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,410
what is I don't know if you remember

1998
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:16,000
what Terrance meeting are you familiar

1999
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:19,870
with his theories on crop circles he

2000
01:26:23,730 --> 01:26:21,370
came up with the idea that there had to

2001
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:23,740
be some kind of weather phenomena called

2002
01:26:28,770 --> 01:26:26,290
the plasma vortex something that came

2003
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:28,780
down and quickly went when and you know

2004
01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:33,220
swirled the plant material now England

2005
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:35,980
is in a unique it's in a unique

2006
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,110
environmental spot with the Gulf Stream

2007
01:26:42,830 --> 01:26:40,480
moving up there they have a lot of warm

2008
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,840
water and they have a lot of UFO

2009
01:26:48,860 --> 01:26:45,120
phenomena moving over

2010
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:48,870
British Isles and regularly there they

2011
01:26:53,150 --> 01:26:50,910
see this crop circle phenomena through

2012
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:53,160
the summer months and there's actually

2013
01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:56,010
been recordings of these lated objects

2014
01:27:00,800 --> 01:26:58,650
moving and as they move it seems like

2015
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:00,810
they pulse and you can see the swirling

2016
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:03,540
the swirls of the grain below them as

2017
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:05,580
they move so that's another piece of

2018
01:27:09,290 --> 01:27:07,290
physical evidence it's a possibility

2019
01:27:11,390 --> 01:27:09,300
that these things are actually pulsing

2020
01:27:13,130 --> 01:27:11,400
producing a vortex and pulsing

2021
01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:13,140
repeatedly creating these kind of you

2022
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:15,990
know multiple circles beneath them okay

2023
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:17,130
I'm gonna ask you a kind of a strange

2024
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:18,420
question I don't know if I've asked

2025
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:21,920
anyone this question now if you were to

2026
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:25,410
critique the whole thing if you were

2027
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:28,830
what's your best skeptical argument

2028
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:32,610
against this against you're against I

2029
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:34,890
own I bought your own hypothesis yes

2030
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:39,000
well you believe me it's a good question

2031
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:42,870
because I wouldn't be doing this if I

2032
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,340
didn't think there was something to it I

2033
01:27:49,610 --> 01:27:46,880
really I got nothing to gain from this

2034
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:49,620
and I wouldn't be doing it if I hadn't

2035
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:52,260
asked myself that question repeatedly I

2036
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:55,980
mean I've said okay what if you know if

2037
01:28:01,130 --> 01:27:58,050
there was this wouldn't we see this and

2038
01:28:06,170 --> 01:28:01,140
what but wouldn't and to be honest that

2039
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:06,180
my biggest I mean and I don't know if

2040
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:07,170
it's a case of where it's you know a

2041
01:28:11,690 --> 01:28:09,210
self-reinforcing feedback loop I find a

2042
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:11,700
justification for my own doubts but you

2043
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:15,110
know the big question is you know why

2044
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:19,590
don't we see the bodies more often you

2045
01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:22,290
know and now are you familiar with the

2046
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:25,710
phenomena of angel hair right are you

2047
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:29,360
talking about the the one UFO where

2048
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,860
covered the trees they called it

2049
01:28:34,820 --> 01:28:34,080
something like that right it's not just

2050
01:28:36,830 --> 01:28:34,830
one

2051
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:36,840
yeah there's it's it's repeatedly it's

2052
01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:38,010
been reported

2053
01:28:42,380 --> 01:28:39,390
you know angel hair these kind of

2054
01:28:44,420 --> 01:28:42,390
trailing tentacles beneath the the the

2055
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,430
UFOs is they go by they leave this stuff

2056
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:46,260
so it kind of sheds off them as they go

2057
01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:49,020
by well the problem with angel hair is

2058
01:28:56,540 --> 01:28:54,150
that it it sublimates it doesn't just

2059
01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:56,550
evaporate it just goes from semi solid

2060
01:29:00,350 --> 01:28:58,530
kind of a sticky

2061
01:29:02,779 --> 01:29:00,360
gelatinous stuff it just goes poof and

2062
01:29:04,279 --> 01:29:02,789
and just turns into gas it disappears so

2063
01:29:06,770 --> 01:29:04,289
people have tried to collect it but it

2064
01:29:10,220 --> 01:29:06,780
just disappears but the few samples that

2065
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:10,230
they've capped and actually kept they

2066
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:11,730
analyzed them they have a lot of the

2067
01:29:17,149 --> 01:29:14,639
same chemical compounds as marine life

2068
01:29:18,589 --> 01:29:17,159
they have the same organic compounds so

2069
01:29:21,609 --> 01:29:18,599
that's a big question why don't we see

2070
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:21,619
more of them and then there's actually

2071
01:29:27,109 --> 01:29:24,650
there have been reported cases there in

2072
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:27,119
Brazil there was a case and I think the

2073
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:29,730
19 early 1960s a UFO was supposedly

2074
01:29:36,859 --> 01:29:32,730
exploded and they found these pieces of

2075
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:36,869
metal that came from them and it came

2076
01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:41,730
from it and it was pure manganese and it

2077
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:43,320
was purer than any kind of manganese

2078
01:29:47,899 --> 01:29:45,270
that people could have could have

2079
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:47,909
produced I thought well what's up with

2080
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:50,510
that and then I started looking at the

2081
01:29:57,169 --> 01:29:52,800
jellyfish as a matter of fact NASA did a

2082
01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:57,179
study into jellyfish in space where they

2083
01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:58,710
took a bunch of jellyfish up there to

2084
01:30:05,060 --> 01:30:00,900
see how they were orient in space really

2085
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:05,070
if he could yes like Anacin side of the

2086
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:08,639
the space station or something they took

2087
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:11,400
it up in the shuttle yeah and they're

2088
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:15,329
right and and had a doctor from the

2089
01:30:20,419 --> 01:30:17,610
University of Virginia University of

2090
01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:20,429
Medicine conducted this experiment

2091
01:30:28,609 --> 01:30:25,590
because they found the orienting system

2092
01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:28,619
of jellyfish was similar to a human

2093
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:31,139
system they we have these little

2094
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:34,110
particles called stato lifts their

2095
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:36,360
little minerals in our ears that help us

2096
01:30:40,459 --> 01:30:38,250
orient to gravity to the Earth's

2097
01:30:42,799 --> 01:30:40,469
gravitational field and jellyfish have

2098
01:30:45,140 --> 01:30:42,809
similar organisms around the ring of

2099
01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:45,150
their body their little stato lifts

2100
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:48,270
inside of stato cysts there's these

2101
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:50,520
little organisms and they found that

2102
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:53,699
when they farm in the space and caused

2103
01:30:58,939 --> 01:30:56,639
him to mature that the jellyfish could

2104
01:31:00,890 --> 01:30:58,949
orient to gravity even though they were

2105
01:31:02,270 --> 01:31:00,900
in space and they also matured normally

2106
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:02,280
now I don't know why NASA was studying

2107
01:31:09,379 --> 01:31:07,530
jellyfish in space but the stato lifts

2108
01:31:12,140 --> 01:31:09,389
which is lit there's a stone you know

2109
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:12,150
the state'll it's or actually made

2110
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:13,860
mineral then one of the mineral is

2111
01:31:19,010 --> 01:31:17,250
manganese so was this proof that that

2112
01:31:22,300 --> 01:31:19,020
thing was a giant jellyfish dropping it

2113
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:22,310
stat olace I don't know but it seems to

2114
01:31:27,860 --> 01:31:26,010
so and otherwise I think there's a lot

2115
01:31:29,689 --> 01:31:27,870
to be said for the theory but the only

2116
01:31:32,450 --> 01:31:29,699
you know I'm not like I'm not a believer

2117
01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:32,460
I'm proposing that this is a hypothesis

2118
01:31:38,660 --> 01:31:35,820
that needs to be studied and I think

2119
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,670
that the best way to study it is through

2120
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:41,040
long-term observation and that's one of

2121
01:31:45,530 --> 01:31:43,290
the challenges that we face is you know

2122
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,540
we gotta look for UFOs we want to sit

2123
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:47,760
there and look up in the sky and know

2124
01:31:51,709 --> 01:31:49,590
after an hour or so everybody's looking

2125
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:51,719
at their watches or their phones but

2126
01:31:56,750 --> 01:31:54,719
these things happen not on a regular

2127
01:31:59,630 --> 01:31:56,760
schedule they might happen like any kind

2128
01:32:02,360 --> 01:31:59,640
of natural event only occasionally maybe

2129
01:32:03,770 --> 01:32:02,370
seasonally cyclical E and to really

2130
01:32:05,209 --> 01:32:03,780
capture to learn more about this

2131
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:05,219
phenomenon we're gonna have to commit to

2132
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,280
studying it on a long-term wide scale

2133
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:09,840
basis you know go to different locations

2134
01:32:16,189 --> 01:32:14,010
and set up monitoring equipment that'll

2135
01:32:17,780 --> 01:32:16,199
you know let us look not only a visible

2136
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:17,790
light but in the infrared and

2137
01:32:22,820 --> 01:32:20,130
ultraviolet spectrum and commit to doing

2138
01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:22,830
this over a long period of time but

2139
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:23,790
that's going to be a substantial

2140
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:27,090
undertaking another question I have for

2141
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:31,650
you so if you're taking a flight and

2142
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:34,020
you're up at 30,000 feet it's something

2143
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:38,880
like you know 14 below outside at 30,000

2144
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:41,370
feet and you would think that if there

2145
01:32:45,950 --> 01:32:44,760
are organisms and we're not seeing them

2146
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:45,960
that they would have to be up higher

2147
01:32:50,540 --> 01:32:49,650
than that so and then we don't usually

2148
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:50,550
come down

2149
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:52,440
yeah there's different regions of the

2150
01:32:55,370 --> 01:32:53,850
atmosphere from what I understand

2151
01:32:57,260 --> 01:32:55,380
there's a region that's very cold and

2152
01:33:00,800 --> 01:32:57,270
then above that it gets very hot again

2153
01:33:02,899 --> 01:33:00,810
so well we're not talking yeah yeah and

2154
01:33:06,979 --> 01:33:02,909
then there's and I I we're not talking

2155
01:33:08,510 --> 01:33:06,989
about static environments we're talking

2156
01:33:11,380 --> 01:33:08,520
about these you know things are

2157
01:33:14,270 --> 01:33:11,390
constantly moving and there's little

2158
01:33:17,899 --> 01:33:14,280
areas of opportunity where the resources

2159
01:33:21,890 --> 01:33:17,909
are just right for things to to flourish

2160
01:33:25,490 --> 01:33:21,900
to grow one of the the questions that

2161
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:25,500
it's as foremost in my mind is them

2162
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:27,870
the sightings that the astronauts have

2163
01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:29,400
had and the recordings that they've had

2164
01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:32,340
of these objects have been right at dawn

2165
01:33:37,580 --> 01:33:34,710
and you know we got this region and

2166
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:37,590
again that's a perfect habitat edge of

2167
01:33:41,210 --> 01:33:39,840
Dawn that moves around the planet it's

2168
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:41,220
moving around the planet all the time

2169
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:43,290
you know there's a region of dawn and

2170
01:33:49,970 --> 01:33:46,050
it's where you know the harsh light

2171
01:33:52,940 --> 01:33:49,980
meets the cold darkness so right at that

2172
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:52,950
region you got an area of moderation now

2173
01:33:56,630 --> 01:33:54,570
what if your something is not tied to

2174
01:33:59,300 --> 01:33:56,640
the surface and you can move through

2175
01:34:02,240 --> 01:33:59,310
that region and this is where we've seen

2176
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:02,250
a lot of those objects in fact them you

2177
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:04,650
know that STS 75 with the tether that

2178
01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:07,560
took place the shuttle was in night time

2179
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:09,270
and they saw it as they were looking

2180
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:12,450
towards dawn now is it because the

2181
01:34:18,350 --> 01:34:15,150
objects are only visible in that extreme

2182
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:18,360
lighting condition or is there actually

2183
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:21,090
you know a swarming of objects around

2184
01:34:26,270 --> 01:34:24,090
that that edge affect that habitat at

2185
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:26,280
where the dawn exists in the atmosphere

2186
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:28,290
and I think that'd be a prime region for

2187
01:34:32,210 --> 01:34:30,510
study if we put something up there to

2188
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:32,220
actually observe right at that dawn

2189
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:37,050
region now did you ever hear of the UFO

2190
01:34:42,740 --> 01:34:40,530
sighting and Space Lab back in 1974 or

2191
01:34:43,580 --> 01:34:42,750
something like that no tell me about

2192
01:34:46,010 --> 01:34:43,590
that

2193
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:46,020
well I've actually I've actually spoken

2194
01:34:53,060 --> 01:34:49,050
to the astronaut boy his name slipping

2195
01:34:56,330 --> 01:34:53,070
my mind Henley recently passed away he

2196
01:34:57,680 --> 01:34:56,340
was a fourth man on the moon just can't

2197
01:35:00,890 --> 01:34:57,690
get his name out I'll think of it in a

2198
01:35:03,290 --> 01:35:00,900
minute but anyway it was a very very

2199
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,300
large object but it was sort of organic

2200
01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:06,000
looking that's why I brought that up but

2201
01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:10,440
he would not talk about it I he just

2202
01:35:15,230 --> 01:35:11,550
didn't want to talk about it when I

2203
01:35:17,660 --> 01:35:15,240
asked him if he would arresting why do

2204
01:35:24,140 --> 01:35:17,670
you think was he afraid of being well

2205
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:24,150
crazy is that yeah I mean obviously yeah

2206
01:35:34,430 --> 01:35:28,590
but I hate that when I forget someone's

2207
01:35:38,900 --> 01:35:34,440
name great guy - yeah anyway as far as

2208
01:35:39,410 --> 01:35:38,910
you know people reporting things that

2209
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:39,420
they

2210
01:35:46,459 --> 01:35:43,500
tell you this quick story of Denise

2211
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:46,469
stoner she was on the show I don't know

2212
01:35:54,620 --> 01:35:50,239
maybe three three years ago or so and

2213
01:35:56,689 --> 01:35:54,630
she was telling us story about you know

2214
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:56,699
she believes that she was abducted and

2215
01:36:00,140 --> 01:35:58,290
her whole family was actually involved

2216
01:36:01,850 --> 01:36:00,150
in this because they were driving in a

2217
01:36:04,820 --> 01:36:01,860
car and the car

2218
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:04,830
all of a sudden lost control and next

2219
01:36:10,939 --> 01:36:06,690
thing she knows she's on this craft

2220
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:10,949
according to her and the thing that the

2221
01:36:18,140 --> 01:36:12,570
reason I'm bringing this up is she said

2222
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:18,150
it was alive she said this alive Wow

2223
01:36:23,660 --> 01:36:21,120
I have you ever heard of people talk

2224
01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:23,670
about such things like that well yeah

2225
01:36:27,770 --> 01:36:26,190
that's and this is the you know I know

2226
01:36:35,050 --> 01:36:27,780
this topic sounds weird but it gets even

2227
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:35,060
weirder still I mean okay well you think

2228
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:39,090
throughout history other cultures have

2229
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:41,910
talked about these beings coming down

2230
01:36:48,260 --> 01:36:45,600
from the sky in fact we've we've seen

2231
01:36:51,470 --> 01:36:48,270
the one artifact that's person you know

2232
01:36:54,140 --> 01:36:51,480
that's kind of lasted throughout history

2233
01:36:56,860 --> 01:36:54,150
and almost every continent or the

2234
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:56,870
pyramids and you know that people

2235
01:37:00,860 --> 01:36:59,040
cultures bilbies they put a lot of

2236
01:37:04,130 --> 01:37:00,870
energy into building these things to

2237
01:37:07,010 --> 01:37:04,140
reach out to something that was coming

2238
01:37:09,260 --> 01:37:07,020
down and why were they doing that you

2239
01:37:12,890 --> 01:37:09,270
know what were they gods were they some

2240
01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:12,900
kind of you know bringer of abundance

2241
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:15,239
where they somehow bringing you know

2242
01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:19,020
rain and minerals and seeds making the

2243
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:20,580
land fertile or something and why were

2244
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:22,530
they putting all this energy and they're

2245
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:25,650
reaching up to the sky now if you think

2246
01:37:30,380 --> 01:37:28,110
you know you read at first I used to

2247
01:37:32,090 --> 01:37:30,390
discount and this gets in with a pretty

2248
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:32,100
weird stuff I used to discount a lot of

2249
01:37:36,410 --> 01:37:34,530
stories about abductees and you know the

2250
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:36,420
people talking about the experiments on

2251
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:40,080
you know the people's seed cells and

2252
01:37:45,050 --> 01:37:42,090
stuff and and then you wonder you go

2253
01:37:46,910 --> 01:37:45,060
well who knows maybe there is something

2254
01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:46,920
to it but I don't even know about that I

2255
01:37:50,770 --> 01:37:48,510
think one of the questions you have to

2256
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:50,780
ask yourself is you know what evidence

2257
01:37:54,620 --> 01:37:52,890
do we have and that's

2258
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:54,630
really you have to that hold this to

2259
01:37:58,460 --> 01:37:56,010
this since it is something that's kind

2260
01:38:01,340 --> 01:37:58,470
of you know unsubstantiated at this

2261
01:38:03,770 --> 01:38:01,350
point it's it's very much on the fringe

2262
01:38:06,890 --> 01:38:03,780
I think we have to look at the highest

2263
01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:06,900
standards of evidence and you know as

2264
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:09,120
believable as somebody might be we know

2265
01:38:14,210 --> 01:38:11,610
the FAL ability of human memory and you

2266
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:14,220
just have to wonder now is I mean to me

2267
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:15,780
it sounds like and maybe maybe she was

2268
01:38:22,370 --> 01:38:19,280
taken by something that was alive but

2269
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:22,380
who knows I think that if there are

2270
01:38:27,290 --> 01:38:24,690
these things up there like any other

2271
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:27,300
form of Wildlife you might have a whole

2272
01:38:32,690 --> 01:38:29,970
range of ones that are you know benign

2273
01:38:35,090 --> 01:38:32,700
they could care less what we do you

2274
01:38:36,740 --> 01:38:35,100
might have some that are hostile they

2275
01:38:38,990 --> 01:38:36,750
may actually pray on us and on our

2276
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:39,000
livestock and you might have one that

2277
01:38:44,090 --> 01:38:40,770
may actually benefit us in some ways

2278
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:44,100
ways we might even not even know so you

2279
01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:45,900
know it's kind of a comes full circle

2280
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:47,820
even though they might not be aliens and

2281
01:38:52,340 --> 01:38:50,010
rocket ships they might be somehow

2282
01:38:53,570 --> 01:38:52,350
visitors alright I want to revisit that

2283
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:53,580
because I want to ask you something

2284
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:54,900
about that but we have a caller on the

2285
01:39:03,560 --> 01:38:57,330
line call me your first name and where

2286
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:03,570
you calling from hey Bobby is a regular

2287
01:39:09,260 --> 01:39:06,960
and we met down in North Carolina how's

2288
01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:09,270
everybody holding out down there your

2289
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,060
you never good you weren't hit your area

2290
01:39:17,540 --> 01:39:15,440
was not hit by the hurricane actually

2291
01:39:19,190 --> 01:39:17,550
yes actually it came right over us

2292
01:39:20,930 --> 01:39:19,200
there's a lot of places out here still

2293
01:39:23,210 --> 01:39:20,940
without power because wall the trees we

2294
01:39:24,860 --> 01:39:23,220
only had 40 50 ml that one gust but a

2295
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:24,870
lot of trees came down taking that power

2296
01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:28,500
but I only lost power for maybe 30 40

2297
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:30,390
minutes and then the cable was out for

2298
01:39:35,210 --> 01:39:32,820
two days and the phone service is

2299
01:39:38,180 --> 01:39:35,220
actually out a few days it's just ya

2300
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:38,190
know but other reason call it is I don't

2301
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:39,840
know he's aware there's a guy named

2302
01:39:44,660 --> 01:39:42,780
Trevor James constable who wrote a book

2303
01:39:47,570 --> 01:39:44,670
called the cosmic pulp of life

2304
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:47,580
absolutely the revolution lady

2305
01:39:50,690 --> 01:39:49,110
biological power behind you I thought

2306
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:50,700
these basically exactly what you're

2307
01:39:53,660 --> 01:39:51,300
talking about

2308
01:39:56,150 --> 01:39:53,670
yeah yeah that's like said I this is not

2309
01:39:57,860 --> 01:39:56,160
my you know I was not the first person

2310
01:40:01,040 --> 01:39:57,870
to think of this one of the things with

2311
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:01,050
Trevor James constable is that he you

2312
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:03,210
know what I'm saying is that these

2313
01:40:06,620 --> 01:40:06,210
things are perfectly natural within the

2314
01:40:09,860 --> 01:40:06,630
realm

2315
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,870
science that we know of right now if we

2316
01:40:13,090 --> 01:40:11,280
look at the capabilities of

2317
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:13,100
invertebrates that we know right now

2318
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:15,810
these things are a possibility

2319
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:18,090
well I loved hearing his stories but I

2320
01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:19,530
think he went off a little bit when he

2321
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:21,030
started talking about them being some

2322
01:40:25,700 --> 01:40:24,210
kind of unknown energy beings and then

2323
01:40:27,379 --> 01:40:25,710
he started speculating about the nature

2324
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:27,389
of you know them being some kind of pure

2325
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:29,610
energy or something and what I'm saying

2326
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:33,090
is that they could be very explainable

2327
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:34,530
in terms of what we already know about

2328
01:40:39,649 --> 01:40:37,560
marine invertebrate biology at this

2329
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:39,659
point but ya know there was a Trevor

2330
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:42,090
Jane yeah they live in the sky he wrote

2331
01:40:48,890 --> 01:40:45,600
and then there was Ivan Sanderson wrote

2332
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:48,900
a book called uninvited visitors and as

2333
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:54,810
I mentioned Kenneth Arnold in the

2334
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,850
fifties or sixties and took in Fred

2335
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:59,040
pictures in the desert I remember that

2336
01:41:03,979 --> 01:41:01,440
was Trevor James constable yeah okay

2337
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:03,989
yeah hey there's a cool looking pictures

2338
01:41:07,550 --> 01:41:06,030
aren't they they're words that I

2339
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:07,560
couldn't find any online recently but

2340
01:41:10,490 --> 01:41:08,400
yeah that was nuts

2341
01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:10,500
if you want to actually seen I've

2342
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:12,300
actually seen multiple UFOs I'm one of

2343
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:13,770
those weird people that just happens to

2344
01:41:19,010 --> 01:41:16,290
look up and see stuff yeah and different

2345
01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:19,020
things and I'm not yet to see a

2346
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:21,239
jellyfish though but I've seen blobs of

2347
01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:23,760
light now did you know did you feel like

2348
01:41:27,470 --> 01:41:26,340
we were talking earlier about feeling

2349
01:41:31,459 --> 01:41:27,480
like something was watching you and

2350
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:31,469
looking up and seeing it or at least

2351
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:33,780
three the times I happen to look right

2352
01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:36,060
directly at it and one of times my son

2353
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:38,550
was them at the earlier this year

2354
01:41:42,770 --> 01:41:40,290
there's a report worse and aircraft are

2355
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,780
talking to your tower out Midwest and

2356
01:41:46,610 --> 01:41:44,880
actually saw a white cylinder go

2357
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:46,620
overhead the one plane was talking

2358
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:48,360
another plan well I've seen that object

2359
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:50,370
in North Carolina that's twice I mean a

2360
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:52,679
lot of the times I was watching it it

2361
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:54,330
was perfectly still it looked like a

2362
01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:56,130
white cigarette we need to kind of just

2363
01:42:00,320 --> 01:41:58,290
a white glow and my son was five feet

2364
01:42:01,970 --> 01:42:00,330
away I was throwing grass seed and I

2365
01:42:03,919 --> 01:42:01,980
told my son look look over there over

2366
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:03,929
the treetops and he could not see it and

2367
01:42:08,570 --> 01:42:06,510
the minute I took my eyes away from him

2368
01:42:09,860 --> 01:42:08,580
and 20 black at it it was gone but I

2369
01:42:11,419 --> 01:42:09,870
mean the whole time on someone to look

2370
01:42:12,770 --> 01:42:11,429
at it he could not see it like I see it

2371
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:12,780
well that's so weird

2372
01:42:17,959 --> 01:42:16,380
very good hey Thank You Martin Bobby you

2373
01:42:19,550 --> 01:42:17,969
ever get out to see the Brown Mountain

2374
01:42:20,569 --> 01:42:19,560
lights out there in Western North

2375
01:42:22,799 --> 01:42:20,579
Carolina

2376
01:42:24,569 --> 01:42:22,809
no I'd like you some time that's

2377
01:42:27,029 --> 01:42:24,579
probably about three or four hours away

2378
01:42:29,219 --> 01:42:27,039
so it's not too bad yeah that's worth

2379
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:29,229
going to that's a it's a very creepy

2380
01:42:33,839 --> 01:42:31,630
very cool experience and you know if

2381
01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:33,849
you're lucky you go there and like fall

2382
01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:37,960
like this time of year you might huh I

2383
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:39,340
get creeped out in the backyard in the

2384
01:42:44,819 --> 01:42:42,610
dark you know want to go to this place

2385
01:42:48,509 --> 01:42:44,829
then because it's like it's a big gorge

2386
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:48,519
and it's yes it's like you know you're

2387
01:42:51,450 --> 01:42:50,050
out there and the wind's blowing and

2388
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:51,460
there's nobody around and you're like a

2389
01:43:02,000 --> 01:42:58,960
little man okay thanks Bobby I I had

2390
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,010
started think Who I had I had someone

2391
01:43:08,549 --> 01:43:04,719
talking about that Oh Matty Beckerman

2392
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:08,559
did a movie about the Brown Mountain

2393
01:43:14,580 --> 01:43:12,760
lights yeah yeah that was fascinating so

2394
01:43:17,219 --> 01:43:14,590
have you actually visited and and

2395
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:17,229
checked that out yes I have that was

2396
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,320
very fascinating it was a you know the

2397
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:22,239
the folks we were talking to everybody

2398
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:23,920
down there has a story about the lights

2399
01:43:28,049 --> 01:43:25,840
and that's what's fascinating about the

2400
01:43:29,969 --> 01:43:28,059
these phenomena is you go to these areas

2401
01:43:32,549 --> 01:43:29,979
and ya ask people about these things and

2402
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,559
people have seen them and they have some

2403
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:35,199
great stories about you know the way the

2404
01:43:40,830 --> 01:43:37,570
lights interacted with people and

2405
01:43:42,810 --> 01:43:40,840
there's actually a there's a great story

2406
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:42,820
down there some folks set up an

2407
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:45,249
observation tower there in the late

2408
01:43:52,469 --> 01:43:49,690
1960s to watch the lights and they saw

2409
01:43:56,129 --> 01:43:52,479
the lights coming out of like fissures

2410
01:43:57,569 --> 01:43:56,139
in the ground and the lights came up and

2411
01:44:00,209 --> 01:43:57,579
the guys are up in the top and they

2412
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:00,219
actually swarmed the guys in the in the

2413
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:02,710
observation booth in the platform up

2414
01:44:09,870 --> 01:44:06,130
there and most of them felt faint and

2415
01:44:12,330 --> 01:44:09,880
one guy actually passed out so but but

2416
01:44:16,649 --> 01:44:12,340
when we went down there it was weird it

2417
01:44:20,729 --> 01:44:16,659
was early in the season and we saw some

2418
01:44:23,549 --> 01:44:20,739
like very faint bluish kind of lights

2419
01:44:25,469 --> 01:44:23,559
that were in crevices and in trees but

2420
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:25,479
we didn't see any of the big lights

2421
01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:27,610
moving you know across the sky or down

2422
01:44:31,259 --> 01:44:29,800
through the forests and stuff but people

2423
01:44:33,930 --> 01:44:31,269
say that the lights seemed to come out

2424
01:44:34,350 --> 01:44:33,940
of the side of the hill go down to the

2425
01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:34,360
river

2426
01:44:38,130 --> 01:44:36,070
it's down below and then come back up

2427
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:38,140
the hill but those are something that

2428
01:44:43,530 --> 01:44:40,930
are seen regularly there people have

2429
01:44:48,270 --> 01:44:43,540
speculated Plasma I think and there's

2430
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:48,280
also a high level of copper in that area

2431
01:44:52,890 --> 01:44:51,040
and interesting yeah and I don't know if

2432
01:44:56,100 --> 01:44:52,900
that you know I mean it could be

2433
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:56,110
something natural I mean yes yeah

2434
01:44:58,770 --> 01:44:57,250
well that's why I said the only way to

2435
01:45:02,700 --> 01:44:58,780
find out about these things is to look

2436
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:02,710
closer now there is a phenomena in the

2437
01:45:07,230 --> 01:45:04,510
we actually like I said we went down to

2438
01:45:08,910 --> 01:45:07,240
this place in Virginia called West Point

2439
01:45:10,710 --> 01:45:08,920
where they said this lake they called

2440
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:10,720
the Quahog light that people have seen

2441
01:45:16,050 --> 01:45:13,360
for generations and we went out there

2442
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:16,060
with low light cameras and infrared

2443
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:19,330
cameras and we when I went out there

2444
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:20,800
over the course of a year and we got

2445
01:45:25,950 --> 01:45:23,170
some really cool footage but it was

2446
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:25,960
frustrating because you realize you know

2447
01:45:31,290 --> 01:45:28,000
you're not gonna be there all the time

2448
01:45:34,020 --> 01:45:31,300
and if they are some kind of wildlife

2449
01:45:37,710 --> 01:45:34,030
you know John keel and some of his UFO

2450
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:37,720
books wrote that the UFOs seem to not

2451
01:45:42,690 --> 01:45:39,540
they don't want to be seen by people

2452
01:45:44,130 --> 01:45:42,700
they go away from where people are which

2453
01:45:46,110 --> 01:45:44,140
if you were an organism that would

2454
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:46,120
probably be pretty smart I mean we don't

2455
01:45:49,230 --> 01:45:48,130
we don't step on a red ant hill and you

2456
01:45:52,140 --> 01:45:49,240
know these organisms aren't going to

2457
01:45:54,270 --> 01:45:52,150
come near a city so you know if you're

2458
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,280
gonna be out there making noise and you

2459
01:45:57,300 --> 01:45:55,840
know bustling around shining lights

2460
01:45:58,770 --> 01:45:57,310
there's a good chance that if they are

2461
01:46:00,780 --> 01:45:58,780
some kind of organism they're not going

2462
01:46:04,140 --> 01:46:00,790
to come out but even so we got some

2463
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:04,150
really interesting footage and but it

2464
01:46:07,410 --> 01:46:05,890
showed the challenge to me of trying to

2465
01:46:09,950 --> 01:46:07,420
do something kind of field study and

2466
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:09,960
they'll have to do it over a long term

2467
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:14,290
getting back to possible jellyfish-like

2468
01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:18,970
creatures living in the sky okay let's

2469
01:46:24,530 --> 01:46:21,700
talk about intelligence I think of a

2470
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:24,540
jellyfish is really not too intelligent

2471
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:27,730
right but do you think that these things

2472
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:31,210
have intelligence well it depends on how

2473
01:46:36,690 --> 01:46:33,430
we define intelligence I mean as humans

2474
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:36,700
we define intelligence is thinking like

2475
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:40,330
humans and solving human problems but if

2476
01:46:45,330 --> 01:46:42,490
you look at invertebrates and some of

2477
01:46:46,590 --> 01:46:45,340
the challenges of life that they saw you

2478
01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:46,600
know one could argue that they do have

2479
01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:48,790
their own form of intelligence I mean

2480
01:46:53,820 --> 01:46:52,180
they reproduce many different ways to

2481
01:46:56,370 --> 01:46:53,830
you know increase the odds that they're

2482
01:47:00,510 --> 01:46:56,380
going to continue to have their DNA

2483
01:47:02,220 --> 01:47:00,520
succeed they actually you know move

2484
01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:02,230
through different habitats they can go

2485
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:04,750
into a static state and then when

2486
01:47:10,050 --> 01:47:07,210
conditions are in first some jellyfish

2487
01:47:12,270 --> 01:47:10,060
can actually regress in their maturity

2488
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:12,280
and some people said that's some kind of

2489
01:47:17,010 --> 01:47:14,290
immortality they seem to go back to a

2490
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:17,020
previous form of their life and then you

2491
01:47:23,460 --> 01:47:18,850
know they mature again when conditions

2492
01:47:24,570 --> 01:47:23,470
are right yeah I you know so we have to

2493
01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:24,580
think you know they have a different a

2494
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:27,280
different nervous system than we do and

2495
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:28,810
they don't build things but then they

2496
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:31,840
they you know use minerals in their

2497
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:34,930
environment to conduct their lives you

2498
01:47:38,730 --> 01:47:36,880
know we are used to looking at things

2499
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:38,740
with our two eyes and we perceive the

2500
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:41,040
world with our stereoscopic vision

2501
01:47:46,740 --> 01:47:42,880
jellyfish can have you know multiple

2502
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:46,750
eyes maybe 27 eyes around the rim rim of

2503
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,610
their body you know how are they

2504
01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:50,320
perceiving the world I don't know if we

2505
01:47:54,810 --> 01:47:53,140
can perceive that you know if we can

2506
01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:54,820
even think of how they're perceiving the

2507
01:47:59,880 --> 01:47:58,090
world in fact if you look at some UFO

2508
01:48:02,640 --> 01:47:59,890
videos like I said there's some where it

2509
01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:02,650
looks like they're looking down at us as

2510
01:48:05,310 --> 01:48:04,180
much as we're looking up at them it's a

2511
01:48:09,210 --> 01:48:05,320
little bit frightening to think you know

2512
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,820
we have a caller just called in caller

2513
01:48:16,730 --> 01:48:13,920
your first name where you calling from

2514
01:48:20,430 --> 01:48:16,740
it's Brian again from Frederick Maryland

2515
01:48:24,900 --> 01:48:20,440
right you have having a new phone before

2516
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:24,910
you call back just just giving you a

2517
01:48:29,700 --> 01:48:28,000
hard talk job I know I was just thinking

2518
01:48:31,260 --> 01:48:29,710
like when I was looking at the arm some

2519
01:48:33,630 --> 01:48:31,270
footage and stuff these things because

2520
01:48:35,700 --> 01:48:33,640
the trope of craft or whatever and it

2521
01:48:37,380 --> 01:48:35,710
was kind of pulsating like squids

2522
01:48:41,010 --> 01:48:37,390
pulsate you know how they change color

2523
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:41,020
Oh tom yeah yeah that's the thing that

2524
01:48:46,380 --> 01:48:43,570
this yeah oh that's it's people

2525
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:46,390
described UFOs is having colors like you

2526
01:48:50,730 --> 01:48:48,610
know they can't describe and you know

2527
01:48:52,230 --> 01:48:50,740
these organisms actually make all may

2528
01:48:53,940 --> 01:48:52,240
make their own kind of color if you look

2529
01:48:55,980 --> 01:48:53,950
at some of the bioluminescent organisms

2530
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:55,990
the displays of light they have are just

2531
01:49:02,250 --> 01:48:58,960
like mind-boggling it's amazing you just

2532
01:49:04,710 --> 01:49:02,260
open me up to like a whole new world yes

2533
01:49:06,570 --> 01:49:04,720
I'm glad I could do that stunt and the

2534
01:49:10,770 --> 01:49:06,580
thing is it make scientific sense I mean

2535
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:10,780
we're not you know I mean that's the to

2536
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:12,730
me like suppose that's the most amazing

2537
01:49:17,970 --> 01:49:15,520
thing is life itself and you know nature

2538
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:17,980
is like a composer you know it gets a

2539
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:19,810
theme and it starts spinning variations

2540
01:49:22,860 --> 01:49:21,130
on a successful theme while these

2541
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:22,870
organisms are the most some of the most

2542
01:49:26,910 --> 01:49:24,850
successful organisms in the oceans and

2543
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:26,920
so why wouldn't we see them in the

2544
01:49:31,979 --> 01:49:29,190
atmosphere and it seems like we do so

2545
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:31,989
yeah it's an interesting having for

2546
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:34,110
further study yeah I'm glad to think so

2547
01:49:39,420 --> 01:49:37,450
I'm so sorry I didn't mean to take up

2548
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:39,430
your time again I just popped in my head

2549
01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:41,920
I gotta say it no check it out I mean if

2550
01:49:46,290 --> 01:49:43,600
you're interested start looking at like

2551
01:49:51,780 --> 01:49:46,300
videos of squid and jellyfish and you

2552
01:49:53,340 --> 01:49:51,790
know what they can do is in my it makes

2553
01:49:56,460 --> 01:49:53,350
a lot of sense they're constantly

2554
01:49:58,170 --> 01:49:56,470
pulsating yeah yeah and just like a lot

2555
01:50:00,800 --> 01:49:58,180
of people report UFOs and a lot of the

2556
01:50:05,460 --> 01:50:00,810
footage shows is that pulsing movement

2557
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:05,470
pulsating light coming from Italy right

2558
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:07,780
well right I think he's he's out of a

2559
01:50:13,110 --> 01:50:09,970
signal all right well well thanks a lot

2560
01:50:15,900 --> 01:50:13,120
Brian thanks Brian

2561
01:50:17,460 --> 01:50:15,910
so yeah another thing you know I'm still

2562
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:17,470
I'm still having a hard time with the

2563
01:50:23,190 --> 01:50:20,110
the buoyancy what keeps something up in

2564
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:23,200
the air unless I somehow can make its

2565
01:50:29,729 --> 01:50:26,110
own helium or something like that right

2566
01:50:32,670 --> 01:50:29,739
right well let me just say I don't know

2567
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:32,680
there's a there's an organism called the

2568
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:35,830
luminous flying squid okay this is this

2569
01:50:39,090 --> 01:50:37,600
is a known that's the name that's the

2570
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,100
common name it's not a scientific name

2571
01:50:44,940 --> 01:50:41,440
okay I mean they know that this organism

2572
01:50:48,090 --> 01:50:44,950
this squid Jets out of the water and it

2573
01:50:50,460 --> 01:50:48,100
flies above the surface of the water for

2574
01:50:53,550 --> 01:50:50,470
you know over a mile it's been observed

2575
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:53,560
for a mile yeah yeah and it's produces

2576
01:51:00,630 --> 01:50:57,760
its up light yeah well that's the thing

2577
01:51:04,979 --> 01:51:00,640
is it you know we know that there are a

2578
01:51:07,290 --> 01:51:04,989
giant squid in the oceans that we can't

2579
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,300
perceive I mean they I mean they they're

2580
01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:09,760
too smart they stay away from humans we

2581
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:12,520
found some of the giant squid but then

2582
01:51:14,580 --> 01:51:13,450
they're saying now they're saying what

2583
01:51:16,259 --> 01:51:14,590
their colossal squid

2584
01:51:18,930 --> 01:51:16,269
you'll make a huge achill

2585
01:51:24,209 --> 01:51:18,940
Oh squid but there have been reported

2586
01:51:27,390 --> 01:51:24,219
stories of you know a sailor waking up

2587
01:51:29,700 --> 01:51:27,400
and he looks up in his the rigging of

2588
01:51:34,049 --> 01:51:29,710
his craft and there's a giant squid

2589
01:51:36,089 --> 01:51:34,059
caught in the rigging of a craft now how

2590
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:36,099
did it get snared there was it was fun

2591
01:51:39,089 --> 01:51:37,090
must've been flying through the air

2592
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,099
jumping you know through the air above

2593
01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:40,960
his craft and it got snagged there so

2594
01:51:45,870 --> 01:51:44,110
you know we hear reports I don't know if

2595
01:51:49,290 --> 01:51:45,880
you ever heard of the mystery rockets in

2596
01:51:51,660 --> 01:51:49,300
over Sweden then going into yeah the

2597
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:51,670
coast rockets right the ghost rockets

2598
01:51:56,939 --> 01:51:53,650
going in and out of fjords and over in

2599
01:52:01,439 --> 01:51:56,949
Sweden now there's one of the earliest

2600
01:52:03,779 --> 01:52:01,449
UFO photographs is over a Swedish Harbor

2601
01:52:05,549 --> 01:52:03,789
and it's this object hovering over the

2602
01:52:08,399 --> 01:52:05,559
harbour you can see its shadow down on

2603
01:52:10,350 --> 01:52:08,409
the water and it looks the outline it's

2604
01:52:12,569 --> 01:52:10,360
not a great photograph it's from 1907

2605
01:52:15,089 --> 01:52:12,579
but the outline of it it looks just like

2606
01:52:18,209 --> 01:52:15,099
a squid so who's to say that those

2607
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:18,219
aren't migrating into the warmer waters

2608
01:52:22,379 --> 01:52:21,130
in summer months and you know where the

2609
01:52:24,299 --> 01:52:22,389
fish are more numerous and then

2610
01:52:26,279 --> 01:52:24,309
migrating out when you know the weather

2611
01:52:28,169 --> 01:52:26,289
changes and I don't you've heard about

2612
01:52:30,899 --> 01:52:28,179
those ghost rockets and ghost submarines

2613
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:30,909
how they confounded the defense agencies

2614
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:32,800
because these objects would be under the

2615
01:52:35,609 --> 01:52:34,239
water moving around and they think they

2616
01:52:37,979 --> 01:52:35,619
were Soviet submarines but they could

2617
01:52:39,330 --> 01:52:37,989
never get close to them and the same

2618
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:39,340
thing they go in they go through the

2619
01:52:44,129 --> 01:52:40,719
atmosphere into the water and then they

2620
01:52:46,589 --> 01:52:44,139
come back out and go away so they are

2621
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:46,599
we're going to be able to to catch one I

2622
01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:48,249
don't know if we're gonna be able to tag

2623
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:51,190
one that would be great but I think we

2624
01:52:56,029 --> 01:52:53,050
might be able to see one I mean I know

2625
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:56,039
there have been a lot of sightings of

2626
01:53:00,989 --> 01:52:59,199
the fact I'm one of the next videos I

2627
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:00,999
want to do is about you know the type of

2628
01:53:04,109 --> 01:53:02,530
squid legged objects that have been

2629
01:53:06,959 --> 01:53:04,119
recorded and the thing about them is

2630
01:53:07,739 --> 01:53:06,969
they're they're really fast and they're

2631
01:53:09,569 --> 01:53:07,749
very smart

2632
01:53:11,879 --> 01:53:09,579
nurse wood squid have some of the

2633
01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:11,889
largest nerves in the animal kingdom and

2634
01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:13,780
the largest eye that we know I know a

2635
01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:17,409
basketball right yeah yeah hey they are

2636
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:19,150
out of time I can't believe it went by

2637
01:53:22,799 --> 01:53:21,130
so fast

2638
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:22,809
all right so hey thanks so much for

2639
01:53:26,879 --> 01:53:25,090
interesting I don't know if I buy it all

2640
01:53:29,310 --> 01:53:26,889
but I think it's interesting and you

2641
01:53:32,339 --> 01:53:29,320
present it very well

2642
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:32,349
I asked you to take a look on our DVD

2643
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:35,530
not alone the extras on them are the raw

2644
01:53:39,629 --> 01:53:38,110
NASA footage uh-huh and I've had a lot

2645
01:53:41,850 --> 01:53:39,639
of people you know it's nice I sent out

2646
01:53:43,649 --> 01:53:41,860
their concept and a lot of people say I

2647
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:43,659
don't get this but if you just let that

2648
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:46,810
footage play just put it on in the

2649
01:53:51,419 --> 01:53:49,360
background and look at it it's it's

2650
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:51,429
beyond words you're gonna be like what

2651
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:54,489
the heck is that and it starts to make

2652
01:53:56,220 --> 01:53:55,690
sense when you like to look at the

2653
01:53:58,050 --> 01:53:56,230
footage

2654
01:54:00,450 --> 01:53:58,060
alright hey thanks so much god it's been

2655
01:54:04,169 --> 01:54:00,460
a real pleasure and thank you for having

2656
01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:04,179
me on all right all right take care all

2657
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:04,900
right everyone

2658
01:54:09,569 --> 01:54:07,090
so that's it for the show thanks so much

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for listening and we will be back next

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01:54:16,890 --> 01:54:13,719
week we have Nick Redfern on and we'll

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be back next week and thanks again for

2662
01:54:20,459 --> 01:54:19,060
listening and I want to thank the people

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01:54:24,419 --> 01:54:20,469
that helped out with the show Alejandro

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01:54:29,220 --> 01:54:24,429
Rojas our guest Scott - Shane and Evan

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in the background and Keith over at Dark

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Matter digital network and race over at

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kgr a radio thank them all and so that's